I’m glad to see you say finally. Maybe you will give it up. You’re making shit up. Gender transformation is elective surgery and treatment. Let’s just call teeth whitening, boob jobs, and hair plugs healthcare. You can’t decide that something is healthcare because you say so or because liberals “feel” that it is, or because you have a group of doctors perverting their oath in the lust of blood money and then demand others to prove you wrong. I would feel better about myself if I looked like it did at the age of 24. Doesn’t give me the right to call it healthcare and expect the insurance pool to cover the expenses of making me “feel” better about myself.
Com'n dude. You can't justify a position merely by restating it. It's childish. Explain how a procedure that improves the mental and physical well being is not healthcare. Start by defining healthcare.
Better yet, he can tell us why we should accept the conclusory opinions of a person who is not a medical doctor over the stances of leading medical associations like the Endocrine Society and American Medical Association.
And the policies of most insurance companies that consider it a medical necessity when proper conditions are met after evaluation.
They've been consistently losing on the gender-affirming care bans directed at minors, even before Trump appointees. This thread is targeting treatments reserved for adults. It shows just how motivated by bigotry all of this is. It was never about "protecting children." It was always about trying to deny transgender people healthcare.
Let me ask you an easier question. I have a friend that is suffering from depression, anxiety and suicide ideation. She is diagnosed with late onset frontal meningioma, a benign brain tumor. Do you consider removing it an elective procedure? Do you consider insurance paying for anti-depression meds for depression sufferers wrong too? Hormone therapy for menopausal women? I could go on but I'm most interested in how a procedure that improves the mental and physical well being is not healthcare. Start by defining healthcare.
You’re really asking me if removing a tumor(benign or malignant) is healthcare? Now you’re going from ridiculous to sick.
Sure, but don’t expect us to change the rules of engagement. That is, you don’t get compete in sports as your new gender. You don’t get to use your new gender’s locker room. Sure, allow consenting adults to mutilate their own bodies. Don’t expect that it changes anything in the real world.
Hormone therapy for the purposes of gender dysphoria in minors is a very big deal. I wouldn’t mind a little more focus on it as opposed to the more rare mutilations, because it’s a big problem.
Did she have genital surgery? Just asking and by the way if you bothered to read my post in the thread on her lawsuit I expressed the opinion that her treatment was inappropriate and that irreversible surgery of that nature (a mastectomy in the case of the girl by the way) should NEVER be performed on a 13-year old. Still waiting for an example of genital surgery performed on a child under age of 16 and by the way it's almost never performed on a minor under the age of 18.
So you think your medical perspective is superior to the involved medical professionals and their families? I’m not a big fan of hormone therapy for minors, but at the same time I can’t speak to each situation and they are far from simple, and I strongly suspect when such therapy is used it is after extensive deliberation. I can’t say what I’d do as a parent unless I was in that situation
The boys will no longer have an annual growth rate, which is why so may concerned people oppose the nonsense.
I’ve had doctors tell me I need lots of things that I dismissed out of hand as soon as it came off their lips. I am polite and non-confrontational, but I know when I’m being sold. If you believe everything your doctor tells you, you’ll be a slave to medical care for the rest of your life and they will make a lot of money off of you. I am in excellent health. I would hope any doctor recommending hormone therapy of any kind for your child for any reason, should at least give you great pause and make you want to research the subject further. Even if it’s to fight a disease, when you start talking hormone therapy, you can’t educate yourself enough. I hope you get to read the about the $2.3 billion fine Pfizer had to pay the US government in 2009 for illegal marketing of an “off-label” drug. Do you know what “off-label” means? You realize gender affirming care drugs are “off-label”, right?
Again, it’s a very small population that is impacted. Why should we take the choice away from parents and doctors? Aren’t republicans all about parent choice? This reminds me of the gay marriage issue. Conservatives had ass backwards opinions on that and were on the wrong side of history there and it looks very similar here.
Everything is the real world. The sports issue is a really, really minor element of changing gender. And I think the decision should be made by the ruling body, not the governor or the president. If an adult cycling league, for example, says former men can compete with women ... that's its rule. Locker rooms and restrooms are another issue. I'm familiar with two transsexuals. A girl I coached at U6 and U8 soccer is now living as a man in his early 30s. Comes from a very accomplished family. Law degree from a top school. Does prestigious work. Has a beard and would freak some people walking into a women's restroom. I have seen him in years but I'm told he's doing great. Still one of my favorite kids from all my years of coach. One of my best friends in high school now lives as a woman. Engineering degrees from UF and PhD from Stanford. Career at Lockheed before making the decision. There are mental health issues there. She's had a lot of work done, but the last time we spoke had not had the final transition. Has breasts, wears dresses. Shouldn't be showering with women who are strangers, but I doubt she seeks that out. But, again, should use the women's restroom.
The tumor is not life threatening and having surgery improves the patient's mental health. So yes, I'm asking you if having surgery to mitigate depression, anxiety and suicide ideation is healthcare. If so, it's the same thing as some of these sexual affirming/re-sassignment surgeries. Answer the other simple questions... are anti-depression meds and hormone therapy also healthcare? Calling me 'sick' in lieu of an argument is ad hominem. Please, explain how a procedure that improves the mental and physical well being is not healthcare. Start by defining healthcare.
