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Your Rights Are Gone When Your Child Is In the Public School System’

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by studegator, May 18, 2023.

  1. studegator

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    Suspect this is the attitude of many teachers.

    Florida Fifth-Grade Teacher Scolds Parents: 'Your Rights Are Gone When Your Child Is In the Public School System' - Tennessee Star
    In comments to The Star News Network, Nicole Neily, founder and president of Parents Defending Education (PDE), questioned the judgment of using classroom time to show cartoon movies with a social justice agenda.
    “In a district where only 56 percent of elementary school students are proficient in math and 52 percent of children are proficient in reading, perhaps classroom time would be better spent in focusing on mastering the basics and not trying to covertly introduce social topics through cartoon movies,” Neily said.
    “This teacher’s comments show a fundamental misunderstanding of the relationship between parents and schools,” added Erika Sanzi, PDE director of outreach. “Parents do not lose their rights when a child attends school.”
     
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  2. gator_lawyer

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    I suspect you are completely ignorant of what happened and making a fool of yourself.
    1. The teacher sent around permission slips to the parents for their approval of their children to watch PG movies. The parents all gave permission. So much for the claim that the parents have no rights.
    2. The students watched a movie that afternoon because they had taken standardized tests in the morning. Part of the class didn't finish the test, so they went with other students in their grade to another teacher's class to finish the tests in the afternoon. The other teacher's students were then dispersed to other classes. They, of course, couldn't teach material with only part of the class there. That is why they watched the Disney movie. And the movie was relevant to the Earth Science material they had been learning.

    If you're going to try and justify anti-LGBTQ bigotry, at least learn the facts about what happened.
     
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  3. G8tas

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    "A Florida fifth-grade teacher justified her decision on CNN to show her students an LGBT-themed Disney movie claiming that parents who complained about it are “ignorant.”

    This article was written by someone who obviously has not seen the movie. The movie is about finding an exotic plant
     
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  4. mrhansduck

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    I recall a clip of the teacher saying the parents had signed permission slips for PG rated movies. Not sure if the parent who complained in this case signed one (the students had joined together from different classes due to the testing), but the mom is apparently a member of the school board and was endorsed by Moms For Liberty. I'd be surprised if that mom signed one.

    Under this interpretation, all instruction, discussion, books, videos, and movies that depict either heterosexual or a homosexual flirtation or couples are banned in schools. Does anybody think they actually seek to ban material that references heterosexuality by having a straight couple in it? This law now applies up to 12th grade. So Romeo and Juliet is out. Shakespeare is out. Pretty much everything. In fact, the mom/school board member herself said this introduced a "controversial" issue. The "gay" part is the "controversial" part.

    The mom/board member also says that the teacher failed to get approval for the movie. I'm not sure what the rules were there. But presumably, schools can't choose whether to ignore state law simply because parents at a given school might be okay with violating the law. So this either violates state law or it doesn't, and the State is apparently investigating.

    This is why many people opposed the bill and dubbed it "don't say gay."
     
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  5. philnotfil

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    There is more hetero kissing than homo kissing in the movie.
     
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  6. jhenderson251

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    Suspect you didn't read or appreciate the teacher's full quote.

    She's absolutely correct that parents lose their rights over what their children are exposed to the moment they send them to school because they have zero control over what their children's peers are going to say and talk about. And behavioral science shows that children are way more influenced by their peers than authority figures (parents or teachers.) That was very obviously the teacher's point.
     
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  7. mrhansduck

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    For those who've read the law or might know how it's being applied, it didn't eliminate sex ed, right? Is sex education possible without mentioning sex, gender, or sexual orientation? Is there a carve out for sex ed instruction? My understanding is that there's long been parental opt-outs for that.
     
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    Well I would hope that they aren't teaching sex ed to K-3rd grade which is all the Parental Rights Bill Covers at the moment
     
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  9. docspor

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    that was never true. read the bill
     
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  10. g8trjax

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    Some teachers evidently will do what they can to push the envelope...56% proficient in math and 52% in reading. :emoji_grimacing:
     
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  11. sierragator

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    So if the school fails to push a parent's fundamentalist agenda, somehow the parent's rights are being violated?
     
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  12. pkaib01

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    Apparently.
     
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  13. l_boy

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    Man you have let this stuff completely overwhelm your world view. By all accounts you’ve fallen for a distortive narrative of what happened. When I went to school you didn’t have every parent making individual demands on the curriculum based upon their own personal cultural beliefs. The class was the class.

    I was lucky and always had good teachers. In elementary school my brother had this mean old verbally abusive lady who would literally make him sick to the stomach. Our mom fought the whole year to try to do something about it but couldn’t. We are talking nearly 50 years ago. So the notion that parents had power decades ago is nonsense.

    I had 2 kids in public school and by and large the teachers were good. At least 2 were gay, I didn’t care nor did my kids. There were occasional days where’d they just watch movies because of something like testing. That’s fine. Give the kids a break.
     
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  14. Swamplizard

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    Direct from the bill itself
    (Chapter 2022-22, L.O.F.) reinforces a parent’s fundamental right to make decisions regarding the care and upbringing of his or her child in the public school setting. The bill requires each district school board to adopt procedures for notifying a student’s parent if there is a change in services or monitoring related to the student’s mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being. All procedures adopted under the bill must require school district personnel to encourage a student to discuss issues related to his or her well-being with his or her parent.

    The bill prohibits a school district from maintaining procedures that require school district personnel to withhold from a parent, or encourage a student to withhold, information related to a student’s mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being. School district procedures may authorize school district personnel to withhold information only for a reasonable belief that disclosure would subject the student to abuse, abandonment, or neglect.

    The bill prohibits classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.
     
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  15. mrhansduck

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    There was one or more education bills that may have expanded or supplemented the prior law. I'm not clear what all was passed in the recent session. At the very least, it appears that the Florida Board of Education passed a rule extending the ban through 12th grade. If this article is accurate, though, it appears that there is an exception for lessons required by the state or required for reproductive health courses - and parents can opt their kids out of those.

    This is from April 19th.

    Florida expands ban on sexual orientation and gender identity teachings through high school

    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — The Florida Board of Education expanded the state’s restrictions on teaching students about sexual orientation or gender identity Wednesday to all K-12 public schools.


    Under the updated rule expanding the legislation panned as “Don’t Say Gay” by critics, teachers run the risk of losing their educator credentials for leading instruction on those topics to students through 12th grade instead of strictly kindergarten through grade 3. This new guideline, which board members approved unanimously, appears to be even stronger than the parental rights expansions that Republican lawmakers are currently advancing at the statehouse.

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    The changes backed Wednesday bolster a rule the board initially established in October carrying out the controversial bill from last year. This policy outlined that teachers “shall not intentionally” lead instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through grade 3.


    Now, it stipulates that instruction on those two topics is also prohibited in pre-kindergarten and grades 4-12 unless the lessons are required by state standards or required for a reproductive health course, which parents can opt-out students.
     
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  16. jjgator55

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    In Florida any discussion of any human sexuality never took place until the 5th grade to prepare girls for the eventual onset of menses. The law banning any discussion from k-5 was redundant. It never happened just like banning the teaching of CRT. It never happened anyway.
     
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  17. docspor

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    Told ya
     
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  18. jjgator55

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    Here’s an idea if parents want that much control over what goes on in education, and it will save a ton of money. Let’s get rid of school transportation, lunchrooms and the school clinic, and let the parents be responsible to get their kids to school on time, pack their lunch everyday, and leave work to pick their sick child. I’ll bet parents will love having that much control over their child’s education.
     
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  19. gator_lawyer

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    The Moms Against Liberty crazy signed a permission slip.
    Florida teacher under state investigation for showing 5th graders a Disney movie

    You're wrong. They're targeting a Fifth Grade teacher here using Don't Say Gay as a justification. The categorical ban was K-3. 4-12 was a ban on anything that isn't "age appropriate," with no definition for what that means. They've now extended the ban to K-12. Although, it hasn't gone into effect yet.
     
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  20. chemgator

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    A "plant" is someone who is injected covertly into a situation to bring about some sort of upheaval or destruction, typically. How exotic was this plant? Are we talking mixed pronouns? Alphabet soup? What did the people do when they discovered the plant? Tar and feather? Or just feather?