Boy turns into girl, then rapes friend…going to male prison

I wasn't arguing which was statistically more likely. Do you think the teen that raped a girl in a Virginia HS bathroom wasn't seen by anyone when he entered? The school policy is that you can use whatever bathroom you identify as. Nobody is going to stop him or report him for that reason.

 

I generally do a little research on something I know little about before making public erroneous statements otherwise I look like a Moron.

Since, intellectual curiosity doesn’t seem to be a skill in your bag of tricks, I did it for you.

History of people identifying as a gender different from their physical gender.

Before the Common Era

• c. 7,000 BCE – c. 1700 BCE – Among the sexual depictions in Neolithic and Bronze Age drawings and figurines from the Mediterranean are, as one author describes it, a "third sex" human figure having female breasts and male genitals or without distinguishing sex characteristics. In Neolithic Italy, female images are found in a domestic context, while images that combine sexual characteristics appear in burials or religious settings. In Neolithic Greece and Cyprus, figures are often dual-sexed or without identifying sexual characteristics.[2]
• c. 2900 BCE – c. 2500 BCE – A burial of a suburb of Prague, Czech Republic, a male is buried in the outfit usually reserved for women. Archaeologists speculate that the burial corresponds to a transgender person or someone of the third sex.[3]
• c. 400 BCE – Ancient Greek physician Hippocrates writes of the enarei, a class of androgynous Scythian priests and healers; "there are many eunuchs among the Scythians, who perform female work, and speak like women".[4][5] The enareiare also mentioned around the same time in Herodotus' work Histories; "the Scythians who plundered the temple were punished by the goddess with the female sickness, which still attaches to their posterity. They themselves confess that they are afflicted with the disease for this reason, and travellers who visit Scythia can see what sort of a disease it is. Those who suffer from it are called Enarees".[6]

First millennium (1–1000)

• c. 1 – c. 100 – Philo of Alexandria and Marcus Maniliusprovided descriptions of transgender people during the early Roman Empire. Philo stated: "Expending every possible care on their outward adornment, they are not ashamed even to employ every device to change artificially their nature as men into women".[7][8] He also attested that some members of this group, to that end, had their penises removed.[8]

• 54 – Nero becomes Emperor of Rome. Nero married two men, Pythagoras and Sporus, in legal ceremonies, with Sporus accorded the regalia worn by the wives of the Caesars.[9]
• 98 – Tacitus wrote in Germania that priests of the Swabiansub-tribe, the Naharvali[10] or Nahanarvali, "dress as women" to perform their priestly duties.[11]
• 218 – 222 – Roman emperor Elagabalus's reign begins. According to Cassius Dio, Elagabalus delighted in being called the mistress, wife, and queen of Hierocles, one of Elagabalus's lovers.[12] The emperor wore makeup and wigs, preferred to be called a lady and not a lord, and offered vast sums to any physician who could provide the emperor with a vagina;[13][12] for this reason, the emperor is seen by some writers as an early transgender figure and one of the first on record as seeking sex reassignment surgery.[13][12][14][15]
• 576 – Death of Anastasia the Patrician who left life as a lady-in-waiting in the court of Justinian I in Constantinople to spend twenty-eight years (until death) dressed as a male monk in seclusion in Egypt,[16] and has been adopted by today's LGBT community as an example of a "transgender" saint.[17][18]

1001–1900

Execution of Barbara Brunner in Lenzburg, 1586

• c. 1322 – Kalonymus ben Kalonymuscomposes a poem for Even Boḥan, a Jewish ethical treatise. The poem expresses discontent with having been born male instead of female.[19][20] The poem, which was traditionally interpreted as a piece of satire, has sometimes been reinterpreted as a genuine expression of gender dysphoria.[21][22]
• 1347 – Rolandino Roncaglia is tried for sodomy, an event that caused a sensation in Italy. He confessed he "had never had sexual intercourse, neither with his wife nor with any other woman, because he had never felt any carnal appetite, nor could he ever have an erection of his virile member". After his wife died of plague, Rolandino started to prostitute himself, wearing female dresses because "since he has female look, voice and movements – although he does not have a female orifice, but has a male member and testicles – many persons considered him to be a woman because of his appearance".[23]
• 1395 – John Rykener, known also as Johannes Richer and Eleanor, was a transvestite prostitute working mainly in London (near Cheapside), but also active in Oxford. He was arrested in 1395 for cross-dressing and interrogated.
• 1542 – Alvar Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca documents same sex marriages and men "who dress like women and perform the office of women, but use the bow and carry big loads" among a Native American tribe in his publication, The Journey of Alvar Nuñez Cabeza de Vaca and His Companions from Florida to the Pacific 1528–1536.
• 1561 – Process of Wojciech z Poznania, who married Sebastian Słodownik, and lived with him for two years in Poznań. Both had female partners. On his return to Kraków, he married Wawrzyniec Włoszek. Wojciech, considered in public opinion as a woman, was burned for 'crimes against nature'.[24]
• 1586 – Barbara Brunner of Kusnacht, living in Lenzburg, was discovered to "be male under (her) clothes" and is burned at the stake on May 28 that year; a man was also burned for sodomy the same day between Lenzburg and Aarau, but it is unknown if the two executions were related. The executions were recorded in the chronicles of Johann Jakob Wick.[25]
• 1629 – Thomas(ine) Hall is ordered by the Quarter Court of Jamestown, Virginia to wear a combination of male and female attire after a series of incidents led to Hall submitting to physical examination and the Court determining Hall to have a "dual nature" gender; it is likely that Hall was intersexas well as non-binary.
• 1776 – After recovering from a fever, a preacher in New England claimed to have died and started calling themselves the "Public Universal Friend" eschewing use of gendered pronouns and identification as either male or female.
• 1777 – The Chevalier d'Éon, an androgynous French courtier and spy of disputed gender identity, agrees with a request by French authorities to live and present as a woman.
• 1781 – Jens Andersson of Norway, assigned female at birth but identifying as male, was imprisoned and put on trial after getting married to Anne Kristine Mortensdotter in a Lutheran church. When asked about his gender, the response was "Hand troer at kunde henhøre til begge Deele" ("He believes he belongs to both").[26]
• 1836 – Mary Jones, a transgender African-American sex worker, is placed on trial in New York City after allegedly pickpocketing a client. The case received significant press attention, and she was depicted in a published lithograph entitled "the Man-Monster".
• 1871 – The hijra (a term used in South Asia to refer to eunuchs, intersex, or transgender people) are defined by the colonial authorities of the British Raj as a "criminal tribe" alongside various other social groups following the enactment of the Criminal Tribes Act, imposing state surveillance and restrictions on free movement.
• 1876 – Frances Thompson, a former African-American slave who had ten years earlier testified before the U.S. Congress on having been raped during the Memphis riots of 1866 amid the Reconstruction era in the former Confederate States of America, is arrested for "being a man dressed in women's clothing".
• 1895 – The Cercle Hermaphroditos, the earliest known transgender organization in the United States, was reportedly founded in this year according to Jennie June.

20th century
First half

• 1906 - Karl M. Baer, in December 1906, becomes the first transgender person to undergo sex reassignment surgery.[27]
• 1907 – The word 'transsexual' is used to mean between or applicable to both men and women (modern usage of this and related words develops later, see 1931 onwards).
• 1913 – English sexologist Havelock Ellis (known for his writings on homosexuality) coins the term "sexo-aesthetic inversion" to refer to a phenomenon "by which, a person's tastes and impulses are so altered, that if a man, he emphasizes and even exaggerates the feminine characteristics in his own person".[28] He would later use the term "eonism", named for the aforementioned Chevalier d'Éon, to refer to this phenomenon.
• 1919 – In Berlin, Germany, Doctor Magnus Hirschfeld co-founds the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft (Institute for Sex Research), a pioneering private research institute and counseling office. Its library of thousands of books was destroyed by Nazis in May 1933.[29][30][31]
• 1930 – Lili Elbe had received emasculation and ovary transplant in June 1930.[32] She changed her legal gender in October 1930.
• 1931 – Hirschfeld introduces the (German) term "Transsexualismus".[33]
• 1931 – In Berlin in 1931, Dora Richter became the first known transgender woman to undergo vaginoplasty.[34][35]
• 1931 – Lili Elbe received vaginoplasty and uterus transplant. Immune system rejection of the transplanted uterus caused her death.
• 1933 – Nazis burn the library of Magnus Hirschfeld's Institute for Sexual Research, and destroy the Institute.
• 1941
  • The first use of the English word transsexuality in print recorded in the Oxford English Dictionary indicates the word is already in use, regarded by that author as a rarer synonym for homosexuality; the first use in print in a modern sense that the dictionary records is in 1950.
  • Barbara Ann Wilcox, a transgender woman, successfully petitions Los Angeles County Superior Court to change her legal name, in one of the earliest known legal cases of its kind.
• 1946 – Plastic surgeon Harold Gillies carries out female-to-male sex reassignment surgery on Michael Dillon in Britain.

1950s

• 1950s – Rina Natan becomes the first known transsexual woman in Israel to undergo sex reassignment surgery. The surgery was conducted as an emergency operation after she attempted to perform it on herself; This came after her unsuccessful campaign to change Israeli policy to allow for sex reassignment surgeries. After the incident, the Israeli government did change its policy.[36]
• 1952 – David Oliver Cauldwell uses the term "trans-sexual" in English (in its modern meaning) based on an earlier German term, having introduced "transsexualism" in 1949.[37][38]
• 1952 – Christine Jorgensen becomes the first widely-publicized person to have undergone sex reassignment surgery, in this case male to female, creating a world-wide sensation.[39]
• 1953
  • Glen or Glenda, an American film featuring transgender surgery and transvestism, is released. A promotional poster for the film advertised that it would include a character that had changed sex.[40][39]
  • Danish endocrinologist Christian Hamburger publishes one of the earliest reports on hormone therapy in transgender women,[41] effective pharmaceutical female sex-hormonal medications having been available since the 1920s and 1930s.[42]
• 1954 – The gender transition of Roberta Cowell, a British pilot during World War II, is reported internationally by the Associated Press. She also appeared that month on the cover of Picture Post, a then-popular magazine in the United Kingdom.[43][44]
• 1957 – The term "Transsexual" is used by U.S. physician Harry Benjamin in a public lecture.[45]
• 1959 – The Cooper Do-nuts Riot occurs at Cooper's Do-nuts in Los Angeles, US; rioters were arrested by LAPD.[46]Transgender women, lesbian women, drag queens, and gay men riot, one of the first LGBT uprisings in the US.[47] It is viewed by some historians as the first modern LGBT uprising in the United States.

1960s

• 1965 – The term transgender is coined by psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University in his 1965 reference work Sexual Hygiene and Pathology.[1]
• 1966 – The Compton's Cafeteria Riot occurred in August 1966 by transgender women and Vanguard members in the Tenderloin district of San Francisco. This incident was one of the first recorded transgender riots in United States history, preceding the more famous 1969 Stonewall Riots in New York City by three years.
• 1968 – According to the online encyclopedia glbtq.

Timeline of transgender history - Wikipedia

 

Wow. Great work.

 

I'm unfamiliar with the details of that story, so I'm hesitant to comment, but I think in that scenario as you laid it out, that kid was at least going to attempt to rape a girl (likely that girl), no matter what.

 

Many people would be torn. I can't say that I would rush in either. 10-20 years ago I think more people would have been likely to say something, which was the point I was trying to make. Times have changed since then and it impacts how people respond to the same situation.

When my son was very young, I wouldn't let him go into a public bathroom by himself. It's not because I think all men are rapists. Just realize the ones who are can't be trusted.

 

I'd be inclined to agree with your point that bathroom policies won't stop a rapist if these policies placed any sort of substantial burden on the public, but it doesn't.

If anything letting Lia Thomas use the women's locker room is an inconvenience to everyone except Lia Thomas.

Also, there comes a point where even if it sometimes fails, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. We still have murders despite murder laws and rapes despite rape laws. The reason I draw the line when it comes to gun ownership a lot of the time is because you're talking about infringing the rights of millions of law abiding citizens and a majority of gun owners over the criminal or negligent conduct of a minority. There is no right for a man to use the women's room, nor should there be.

 

OP poster is oddly obsessed with trans. A separate thread started….

 

He probably would have attempted it at some point. He even assaulted another girl elsewhere. I still stand by my original answer to his question. 10-20 years ago someone would have likely stopped him or said something if they saw him going into the girl’s bathroom. I didn’t say it would prevent rapes.

 

I don't necessarily disagree, but as Bob Dylan said, "the times, they are a-changin'." There's likely a myriad of reasons that may prevent people from speaking out compared to past. But I actually question that premise of the past being much better in this regard. You can find plenty of anecdotes across decades of people witnessing assault and even murder happening out in the open but (most) doing nothing.

If we're truly worried about children and women being victimized, acceptance and tolerance for transgenders (a group heavily documented to be victimized themselves) just doesn't seem like a very strong corollary for any increased danger, compared to many other more impactful societal changes like increased prevalence of violence in media.

 

1. You cited wikipedia, shame on you.
2. Some of what you posted is speculation.
3. Some of what you posted regarded genetic anomalies where people naturally had sex characteristics of both genders, not your Caitlyn Jenner/Lia Thomas brand of transgender.
4. Some of what you posted related to crossdressing, not transgenderism.
5. Most of what you posted proves that gender dysphoria is an old thing and that gender norms is something common in most cultures, but it specifically does NOT prove that gender dysphoria makes someone a member of the opposite sex in reality.
6. Though I might have missed it, I didn't find anything that suggested there is an "infinite number of genders." Even the things regarding gender roles relied on this male/female dichotomy where there are male roles and duties and female roles and duties.
7. The same cultures that called people "women" for performing "womanly duties" would probably call people "men" for being soldiers and hunters. It's a logical incoherence that our Western culture wants to abolish gender roles in one sense in the feminism debate, but revive them in the transgenderism debate. Spoiler alert: the feminists got it right and the transgenderism activists got it wrong.
8. There came a point where there were so many examples that didn't really prove your point and/or relied on speculation that I really skimmed the rest of it. But I did look over all of it.

 

lol it only has legs because it’s being shoved down your throat by your overlords and you gobble it up like a big hungry pig.

 

I don't blame you there. I've wondered how single moms typically do it. I don't remember what my mom did, but I think I've seen moms take their young boys into the womens' room rather than her have to go into the mens' room. I guess as long as they cleaned the seat off or made the boy sit to go, other women would be okay with that.

 

That is music to the libbies' ears.

 

Please remember this rule and edit your post to four paragraphs.
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Well, one situation is a one-off outlier that fits the right wing culture war distraction narrative and the other is the leading cause of death currently among kids (gunshots not school shootings).

 

Spoiler alert, these are the same people in many cases, and I'm not sure in what sense you mean "revive gender roles" for transpeople. Are there people arguing transwomen have to stay at home and raise the kids or something?

 

There should be a site limit for bacon responses from posters not talented enough to defend their positions.