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How America’s Obsession with DEI Is Sabotaging Our Medical Schools

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by studegator, May 3, 2023.

  1. gator_lawyer

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    You care. You're here throwing a tantrum over it. And the "commie educators" will keep right on using preferences to build diverse classes. Sucks for you.

    Facts indeed don't care about my feelings. But this is an opinion. Consult a dictionary if you're confused as to why.

    Ah yes, as we all know, Jim Crow was famous for discriminating against whites, for helping Black people, and for trying to achieve diversity. You are killing it, my man.

    Yes, the Nazis who were famous for their love of diversity and for discriminating against non-Jewish whites in favor of Black people. You, sir, are on fire. YouTube School of History is making you look brilliant!

    I'm not surprised. Bernie attracted plenty of anti-Black folks who promptly became far-right loons.

    Based on your "understanding" of Jim Crow and the Nazis, you might be right that somebody destroyed our educational system. You certainly aren't a product of an effective educational system.

    Good point. Affirmative action hasn't been effective enough. I concur. We need stronger policies to work towards providing real equality of opportunity.
     
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    I don’t know you, so I certainly can’t say that you’re a pathetic excuse for a human being, but your post is pathetic. People in this country have spent 400 years or so digging a hole to throw in the African slaves and their descendants, and, now, when these folks need help in getting out of the hole, people like you say that the country should be color blind. It can’t work that way. When it can work is when all families have access to quality health care, quality pre-school, quality food and housing, quality child care, quality K-12, a reformed criminal justice system, etc. As for those Nigerian-Americans, who, by the way, are African-Americans, they are a perfect example of how the descendants of slaves can do if they are given the opportunity to succeed that were given to Nigerians who voluntarily emigrated to America.
     
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  3. gator_lawyer

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    As notorious racist Thurgood Marshall said: "Obviously, I too believe in a colorblind society; but it has been and remains an aspiration. It is a goal toward which our society has progressed uncertainly, bearing as it does the enormous burden of incalculable injuries inflicted by race prejudice and other bigotry, which the law once sanctioned, and even encouraged. Not having attained our goal, we must face the simple fact that there are groups in every community, which are daily paying the cost of the history of American injustice. The argument against affirmative action is but an argument in favor of leaving that cost to lie where it falls. Our fundamental sense of fairness, particularly as it is embodied in the guarantee of equal protection under the law, requires us to make an effort to see that those costs are shared equitably while we continue to work for the eradication of the consequences of discrimination. Otherwise, we must admit to ourselves that so long as the lingering effects of inequality are with us, the burden will be borne by those who are least able to pay."
     
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  4. slayerxing

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    I assure you those people with an admissions background will find a way around any stupid scotus decision. No worries!
     
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  5. dallasgatr

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    Team dagbigunit.
     
  6. latergator79

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    I have noticed the incoming class at Harvard is 28% Asian, Stanford 29% Asian, and Princeton 25% Asian. In all cases, the ratio of Asians in the 2026 class is higher than at the university as a whole, while whites are below a third of the incoming class each case. I wonder if this is a way of preempting lawsuits after the SCOTUS ruling.
     
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  7. latergator79

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    I think the problem with this is that affirmative action isn't directed toward admitting disadvanted African Americans. It actually consists in universities gobbling up the most privileged, and best qualified, African Americans they can find. I don't know about medical school, but the AA admits to Havard are affluent, which is why the practice is defended on the basis of diversity rather than on renumerative social policy. Many aren't even the descendants of slaves, which makes affirmative action really representation by proxy. And this might defensible, as is. But I always find this assumption that the typical AA admit couldn't score as high on test because they were working 3 jobs to support their single mother, pretty weak.
     
  8. latergator79

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    You can push back all you want. But the conclusion will be unavoidable and will be mainstream if current trends continue. American jews have been attending elite colleges at up to 10x for a 100 years, and the statistics aren't currently available. Asians for example are 6% of the population, but 29% of Harvard's incoming class, and outnumber whites at MIT and Cal Berkely undergrad. Some might be international, but still. Unlike jews, Asians don't assimilate into white so their presence is conspicuous. India now has the most people in the world, and many want to get out. The phenomena will eventually he studied.
     
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  9. gator_lawyer

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    The practice is defended on the basis of diversity because of the Supreme Court. It allowed affirmative action when it seeks to achieve diversity. It has not allowed it as a remedial measure.
     
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  10. latergator79

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    I wasn't aware of that.
     
  11. gator_lawyer

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    So you are arguing that some ethnic groups are inherently more intelligent than others?
     
  12. gator95

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    Here's how I think most people want to think about doctors: IF a family member is having a life threatening surgery everyone will want the best doctor possible, not the best Asian, best white or best black doctor. Doctors should be treated like athletes. 100% merit. I don't see anyone wanting Asians in the NBA so we are equitable. Doctors do such important work it doesn't make sense to not take the best of the best. Should every effort be made to get minorities involved? Sure, but that should stop at lowering the bar/standards.
     
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  13. latergator79

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    I think genes are one factor that affect how certain ethnic groups perform. I don't know what "inherently more intelligent" means.
     
  14. gator_lawyer

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    It would mean the same thing as saying they are more intelligent due to their genetics.
     
  15. dabigunit

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    Nope. Most of the commie educators and administrators are being fired and replaced. See New College in Sarasota. The long reign of far left control over the education system is finally ending in Florida and other red states. Eventually it will end everywhere. Now they can stop brainwashing our children into believing that men can become pregnant LOL

    Racism is racism. It is not okay to be racist against any race. Affirmative action is literally the systematic racism that liberals always cry about. Unfortunately, they are so brainwashed that they support the very thing that they claim to oppose, which is a very common theme with liberals.

    The nazis were racist and had racist government policies that discriminated against people based on their skin color, just like your beloved racist affirmative action.

    I am not anti-black. I have a deep respect for the cultures of Africa. However, I do acknowledge that the African American culture is beyond broken and embarrassment. Most black people from other countries agree with me on this. There is a huge difference between African Americans vs other black groups.

    I assume you think the purple haired commie freaks that believe men can become pregnant are a product of an effective education system? LOL

    Affirmative action doesn't work. I like how you didn't even touch my point about other black cultures like Nigerian Americans running circles around African Americans in every statistic possible and they come from another continent and english is not even their own language. Only through fixing their broken culture can African Americans change things for the better. They have no one to blame but themselves For starters try having 2 parents in the household. That makes a huge difference.

    It's not just former Bernie folks. Many conservatives are former Clinton and Obama supporters also. A lot are former Obama supporters.
     
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  16. dabigunit

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    Good point. Where is the affirmative action in the NBA, NFL, and Olympics? Why is it okay for it to be majority black in those leagues? I think we need to have affirmative action. At least 1 starting cornerback for each college and NFL team should be Asian and similar policies at all positions. Once every 4 years the starting QB must be Asian also.

    Anyone that disagrees is an anti-Asian racist bigot.

    I guess merit based only applies to sports teams LOL
     
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    For whom is the funhouse fun? J. Barth.


    For whom is affirmative action beneficial?
     
  18. dabigunit

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    I like how the facts in my post offend you so much that you call my post pathetic lol.

    Then why is it that black Nigerians and most other black groups come to the US from far off foreign lands and run circles around African Americans?

    Why is it that when the US was actually racist African Americans had far lower crime rates, far better statistics and a much higher percentage of 2 parent households? Now America has equal rights for all (well blacks have more rights thanks to Affirmative action) yet blacks are many times worse in each category than they were back in the 60s and before? Do you really think blacks have less rights now than they did in the 60s? Their culture has been degraded and destroyed.

    Most black households have 1 parent. Anyone from a single family household, regardless of race, will suffer much worse statistics. The African American problems are self inflincted: single parent households, extremely high crime rates (they are 13% of the country yet they commit around half of the country's murders each year), very low HS graduation rates etc.
    Nigerian-Americans succeed because they excel in all of the above areas in which African Americans badly fail in.

    You think African Americans are the only people that have been enslaved before? Study world history. Most groups have been enslaved before (or even worse been through genocides), yet they have quickly recovered. The problems stem from a broken culture. There needs to be a movement to keep black dads in the family. Broken family=broken culture
     
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  19. danmanne65

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    Jews isn’t a race.
     
  20. dabigunit

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    There are IQ differences between races, yes. That is a biological fact. Asians and whites have the highest average IQs by a good margin, which explains why they excel in academics more than the others.

    Just like there are also physical differences like average height, strength, and athleticism. When was the last time you saw a football player from China or India? Which race usually dominates track and field? What about basketball?

    Where are the white cornerbacks? Where are the Asians and latinos in the world's strongest men competition?

    Genetics.
     
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