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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. G8trGr8t

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    German made GEPAR systems being field proven taking out drones. Seems like the most economical system that can be incorporated to help create defensive shields. shortage of ammo, and just as critical, shortage of german capacity to produce ammo is a concern. Switzerland refusing to contribute to the cause

    The little-known weapon knocking down Iranian drones over Kyiv (msn.com)

    So how did they do it? According to Ukrainian officials and advisers to Kyiv who spoke to POLITICO, much of it is thanks to the German-made Gepard system, a vehicle that can send dual streams of 35mm rounds ripping into the sky to hit the drones. Berlin has sent 30 Gepard vehicles to Ukraine over the past year, with seven more on the way this year.

    he weapon, essentially an anti-aircraft gun that sits atop a tracked vehicle, provides Ukraine with a mobile air defense system that has played a key role in destroying Russian drones and missiles as the Kremlin continues to send waves of both at power stations and electrical generating plants. The aerial assaults have plunged Kyiv and other cities into darkness and shut off the heat for tens of thousands of civilians forced to shiver through the winter.

    Since September, Ukrainian air defenses have destroyed 540 Iranian kamikaze drones, according to Yurii Ihnat, the spokesperson for the Ukrainian air force. The Gepard “is effective against these UAVs, as well as against cruise missiles,” he added, “but this weaponry, which is intended for air defense of the Ground Forces, is not enough.”
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    Many of the rounds for the vehicles’ two guns were manufactured in Switzerland, and the government there has refused to allow Germany to re-export those rounds to Ukraine, citing its neutral status. German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht wrote to the Swiss government in October asking to send 12,400 rounds of Swiss-made ammunition to Ukraine, a request that was rejected. In December, German manufacturer Rheinmetall said it would open a new production line to start making 35mm ammunition, though the first rounds won’t be available until later this year.

    That lack of domestic industrial capacity has increasingly alarmed Western governments since the start of the war. As a result, the U.S. and its European allies are hurriedly working to identify munitions they might be able to pull out of older stockpiles and considering ways to begin pooling resources as the war in Ukraine continues to drain warehouses across NATO. In Washington, closed-door talks have begun about pulling Cold War-era munitions out of bunkers and upgrading them enough to be useful to Kyiv, according to one person familiar with the discussions. One such program has already started, with missiles for long-retired U.S.-made HAWK air defense systems slated to get the necessary updates to be sent to the fight.
     
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  2. chemgator

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    HIMARS is a truck that moves somewhere else after it's been fired. The U.S. is keeping track of the HIMARS units in Ukraine, and while it may take them a couple days to check on the ones in combat zones, they are able to confirm whether any of them have been destroyed. So far, none have been confirmed destroyed. They are still blasting the hell out of the Russian units, helping Ukraine to take back their land. Ukraine still speaks highly of them--if they were out of service, they would probably stop talking about them and talk more about the heroics of their troops, destroying the Russian army without advanced missile delivery systems like HIMARS to help them out.
     
  3. chemgator

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    And Russia is losing. The thin shell of their pathetic reasoning for starting this war and becoming the Nazis they claim to be fighting has been cracking and falling apart since Day 1.
     
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  4. duggers_dad

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    What “the US reports” means ...

    Blinded by the Lies - The U.S. Military is Relying on Ukrainian Intelligence - A Son of the New American Revolution
     
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  5. duggers_dad

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    DAH won’t win a war. Neither will continually assigning imaginary objectives to Russia then disparaging it for failing to achieve them.
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    Sanctions working. Biggest drop in income in EU since 1929 ...

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  8. oragator1

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    apparently Putin called a truce for orthodox Christmas. 2 days or so.
     
  9. VAg8r1

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  10. duggers_dad

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  11. danmanne65

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    Natural gas prices are way down from their peak. I think we are making up the excess easily. There is talk of an oversupply without any Russian natural gas.
     
  12. Sohogator

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    Ka Ha, they’re looking weak and pathetic. I expect them to keep getting pounded.
     
  13. VAg8r1

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  14. partdopy

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    I haven't really been following this thread at all but why is this dad guy so invested in the Russia winning narrative?
     
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  15. duggers_dad

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    Bottom line: you’re not going to read the article and chew on its implications, are you ?
     
  16. duggers_dad

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    I think invested is too strong. Though that is certainly true of my disputants. Mainly I’m observing that Russia winning is as obvious as observing the weather’s getting colder this time of year.
     
  17. coleg

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    Just like the Tina Turner hit : "Trollin', trollin', trollin' down the river... "
     
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  18. partdopy

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    Every other post I've seen (more really) seems to be you. Is there a way to check how many times a user has posted in a thread? I don't think that is healthy.

    You've made 16 in the last 2 pages. Probably time to put down the keyboard and go outside.

    Just for kicks I picked a random page and found 5 more of your posts. Did a search for posts by member in this thread only. It stopped at 200 and that was on page 655. Over the last 30 pages you've had 200 posts. If we extrapolate that its over 4,500 posts. Truly mentally insane.
     
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  19. duggers_dad

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    Mooing Mooing Mooing
     
  20. duggers_dad

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    Why are you obsessed with my number of posts ? Is that healthy ?