This is overly simplistic. It's not just about Ukraine. If the western world sits back and watches Ukraine, will they sit back and watch Taiwan? South Korea? Where do you draw the line. I know for many Americans now the answer is, at the US borders, but it's not ever that simple. Obviously if it were that simple, Russia wouldn't be invading Ukraine at all. At some point, it's about values. If the western world is going to continue to be the ruling force in the world, then the values that those countries are based on, even if they aren't always followed perfectly, must be defended.
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That's fine there are many who don't agree with me on this as there are others who do agree with me. Where I draw the line is the populace should be made aware of the consequences that will follow and are coming to fruition as we continue down this path. The gravity of the situation should not be given short shrift without knowledge and consent of the people.
You can't really discuss that without discussing nuclear responses. Because Russia would not be able to hold on the ground against a full invasion of western forces without using tactical nukes, which would invite response from the US and their allies. If you just talk about conventional forces? The US and the west would carry out heavy long range missile and air strikes on Russian air defenses and logistical hubs, first and foremost. After some time doing that, ground forces would advance and russians would struggle to resupply and would be forced to fall back under heavy fire. But that's all fantasy - it isn't happening. And even if the US did mobilize to send ground forces in, it would take months to get all the equipment and soldiers in theatre. And that's not even discussing the possibility of western involvement leading to other nations getting involved.
The American people are moving on from Ukraine. It is the POTUS and Congress (both parties) that don’t have an off-ramp.
Yes at some point it is about values and that point is when it crosses our shores. At this point it has not, even though the US has made clear our stance with arms, intelligence and economic support. This particular issue is between European nations, Ukraine and Russia. The idea that a nation so corrupt as the Ukraine can drive this decision to global chaos boggles my mind.
As I said Ukraine has garnered the support of the west. It is Ukraine driving the decisions made by western allies and NATO.
“But US stockpiles of some equipment are "reaching the minimum levels needed for war plans and training," and restocking to pre-invasion levels could take years, Mark Cancian of the Center for Strategic and International Studies wrote in a recent analysis.” US ammunition supplies dwindle as Ukraine war drains stockpiles
Strongly disagree. The western world wouldn't have to be involved in anything had Russia not chosen to invade and annex a European country. I think your perspective on this is backwards.
Hey Dugger. If you’re responding to me don’t bother as I have you on ignore and can’t read your posts.
You're more than welcome to disagree I have no issue with that at all. However one must be reminded the annexation did not occur at the onset of this war. The annexation is a result of the continued support from western allies since day one. Zelensky went pleading hat in hand and NATO plus western allies filled his coffers. The US could have said no at the onset and let European nations deal with the issue. Of course that did not happen and we are where we are today because of it. The tepid response of European nations should tell you how much they rely on US support for military operations as well as financial (US bears the brunt of this) support. Had we said no it would be a different story.
you’ve been giving the worst case scenario since February and just about none of your fearful worries have come to pass. No one will want US troops on the ground. It’s a non-starter. The goal has never truly been to save Ukraine, it’s been to weaken Russia. That gets accomplished now whether they eventually “win” or not. We could have sent troops day one if we wanted a war with Russia. So could have Europe, nothing has changed in that regard.
