We continue to ignore Science…

Lol ok . So, your dads' doctor thinks it may have saved his life but what I hear you saying is he's doesn't know, like Fauci just guessing. My wife's father has heart conditions but never received the false vaccine, still caught covid twice and had mild reactions he's 72 and overweight. My guess is that he was lucky he didn't get the shot, most likely would have a worse reaction.

Well, our close friends and their teenage son received the shot and its booster, all of them were perfectly healthy. They've caught covid twice now and their son was taken to the hospital recently and diagnosed with myocarditis.
Did the vaccine cause this? I don't know but it sure looks like it. Would any doctors make a guess and say yes, I seriously doubt it. I'll let them know that some dude on a message has a doctor making guesses on what saves people's lives and what doesn't. I'll continue to get my advice from the doctors and scientist like I have been, you the ones actually stating the facts

 

I'm glad you found my dads health funny.
I stopped reading after "LOL" and your "funny" rating.

 

Dude is a clown of epic proportions.

 

You are sidestepping my point. Any national policy would be anti-“science” (even if we all agreed on such a thing) if you look at a small enough granularity. And frankly we don’t all agree on the science, as evidenced by the many debates you’ve had on here with all those that disagree with you. It’s possible they’re all wrong, and you’re right. But then again, maybe it goes the other way. What should a national policy do if not try to protect its populace? Even FA Hayek noted that an epidemic is the proper use of the state. Frankly no use the federal government is going to make us all happy, but at least this act is in the appropriate category, unlike waging culture wars or canceling student debt.

 

Omg, I was laughing at your comment Mr sensitive.

 

So do you do the gynecological exams?

 

I know. Your point?

 

Nobody was laughing at your dad's health. "I'll make sure and tell them what some message board dude said" This is what I found funny. You're a pretty smart guy, I think you knew that's what I meant

 

Ok.

 

From where we started with hospitals overwhelmed and morgue trailers in parking lots, to this point where having Covid is a nuisance, is an indication that the health professionals handled this pandemic about as well as they could. The mRNA vaccine was a breakthrough and will likely be the platform for all future vaccines (and other therapeutics). I give Fauci, NIADS, CDC, the Biopharma industry and all the health professionals a hell of a lot of credit for responding rapidly to a new and deadly pathogen, and also for dealing with the mis-information (hydroxychloroquine was never a therapeutic option despite all internet cowboys) and threats against them for doing their jobs to save lives. We've never had a POTUS attack these institutions quite like we saw during this pandemic. Fauci got the worst of it for his moment stifling a laugh at DT nonsense, Birx just tried to disappear. They also made mistakes, but overall their experience and knowledge were invaluable.

 

Serious question which I hope gets serious replies: Is anyone who has not had a shot in the last six months actually still considered vaxed? If so, why, as I am led to believe the shot wears off and that is the reason for shots two three and four. Or is one initial shot (or two depending on which brand you took) at one time in your life even if almost two years ago enough to still be considered vaxed? I want to logically compare this to someone who may have had no shots but has had covid and therefor has some level immunity. I ask because I see no difference in any people in any category above when it comes to putting me in danger.

 

The most toxic part of the Covid virus was the spike protein.

If you didn't want to inject a technology that would cause your body to produce the toxic spike protein Democrats wanted you to lose your job, not be able to travel. Many Democrats hoped you would die.
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As Elon Musk said, the Democrats have become the party of division and hate.

 

This is the kind of misinformation that hindered dealing with the pandemic. No telling how many people believed this and died as a result by not getting the vaccine.

The spike protein itself is not toxic, it allows the virus to enter a host cell and replicate, to further spread into nearby cells. The mRNA vaccine presented the body with the code to manufacture the spike protein alone, which the immune system recognized as foreign and programed antibodies to. So when a viral particle invaded, the immune system could attack the spike protein and prevent cells from becoming infected by the virus

The other stuff you are saying is just bizarro.

 

Myocarditis in a post COVID vaccinated young man is in all likelihood secondary to the vaccine. Generally, they all recover in 6 months, I generally am against vaccine in that subgroup.

 

I really don't understand what you are trying to say here. The Covid mRNA vaccine is a new technology platform for vaccines, and has been in development for several years. The advantage is that a specific protein can be targeted in the virus, and is therefore much more specific. The vaccine went through preclinical testing to enable well controlled clinical trials. The clinical trial results demonstrated remarkable efficacy and little risk relative to the disease. A booster shot is due to the immune system programmed expression of antibodies.

Agree, it was remarkable. Read the FDA Summary Basis for Approval, the efficacy and safety, which is the basis for approval, is remarkable.

Agree, but there are epidemiological studies and policies implemented, such as in Japan, that vaccinate the children first so they don't bring disease home from school and infect the elderly living in the household. Nearly 1,500 children in the US have died of Covid as of today.

The alternative to the vaccine for natural immunity is to allow many more millions to die, to achieve herd immunity. That's criminal and could never be justified in an ethical, advanced, humanitarian society. Vaccines have always been pushed in public health, for Polio, Small Pox, Tetanus, etc. for good reasons - they prevent many more deaths and serious illness. I have a great deal of confidence in these institutions and their histories, of course I'm in the industry. I know the challenges, and most importantly is the successful outcome to the pandemic. The area I do think needs improvement is to have more effective communication with the public.

 

The disease killed more than 4.4 million people worldwide, over 17,000 children. The vaccines were very important in reducing even greater mortality. I don't know any expert in the field that would disagree with that.