Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

UK is doing a much better in tracking this type of data.

Here is what their data is showing.


this is per 100k population.

 

How do we know if they're doing much better tracking? Honest question. I don't know if that is true or not.

In any case, the UK is nearing 90% vaccinated. I mentioned several pages ago that when numbers get that high, i.e. into herd immunity range, there is a statistical phenomenon that can happen where vaxxed are more likely to be infected/hospitalized/die--this is because nearly everyone in the population is vaxxed. In such situations, we can't ignore the absolute numbers compared to pre-vaxx. For instance despite the wave that started in June in the UK, daily deaths are way down and did not similarly spike.

 

What a pie in the sky idea. Yes everyone just get healthy. It’s as simple as that! Get real, dude.

You are 6 times more likely to GET covid (and thus potentially pass it on to a vulnerable person) if you are unvaccinated (your personal health has nothing to do with it).

Nobody is going to force you to get the shot. But to choose not do so is SELFISH. Full stop.

 

They do a very in-depth report weekly. It's backed by sourced data they gather.

CDC has been garbage at this. On top of that, CDC calls anyone vaxxed - 2 doses and 14 days after the second dose. They are not even doing it with every state.

UK breaks it down much more than that.

Also, again the data is per 100k. That eliminates the variance in pop who is vaxxed and not.

 

I get rates. And two of those rates that are important here are rates of hospitalizations and deaths compared to cases in the most recent wave compared to rates of the same in earlier waves. Also, the much higher overall rates of vaccinations in the UK (79% two doses, 86% 1 dose). That leaves only a 14% completely unprotected unless they had covid already. Think about it like this. If 100% of the pop were vaxxed then vaxxed would account for 100% of the cases/hospitalizations/deaths.

As vaccinations get closer to that 100%, the less opportunity there is to spread but even where it does spread, it's less likely to lead to hospitalizations or deaths but because there's such a high percentage of vaxxed. Thus, it shouldn't be a surprise when vaxxed outnumber unvaxxed in some situations such as hospitalizations. So what we see in the UK is that while the community spread was pretty extensive in the most recent wave, absolute hospitalizations and deaths and rates are way down compared to earlier waves. See the graphs here.

 

Is that per 100K vaxxed vs. per 100K unvaxxed? If not, you have to take into consideration the ratio of vaxed vs. unvaxed for a proper comparison.

Let's just say for example that 90,000 are vaxxed and 10,000 are unvaxxed. Then 1000 vaxxed infections per that 100,000 is better than, say, 500 unvaxxed infections per that same 100,000.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

How many of us are less healthy now than when this pandemic started? How many of us were unhealthy and worked towards getting healthy? If anybody's behavior didn't change for the positive, they have zero right to call anybody else selfish regardless of anybody's vaccination and/or mandate position. Getting healthy isn't an instantaneous fix, but there are things that we can do to better position ourselves for the next pandemic.

Not if you have already had COVID. A factor that continues to be overlooked.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Its 100k population. It not 100k vax vs 100k unvaxed.

 

You are not understanding it.

The rates are against 100k population. That takes away the difference in the population who is vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

They will need to continue doing boosters every 6-9 months especially with the older groups since the vaccine effectiveness drops much faster in those groups.

The worst-case scenario is that a new vaccine-resistant strain emerges since the vaccines are very leaky. Losing over 50% effectiveness against infection by month 6 is my opinion is very poor.

 

No it doesn't. If you have 90K vaccinated and 10K not vaccinated out of that 100K in total population, and you have a vaccine with 70% effectiveness and a rate of 100 out of 10,000 that aren't vaccinated who get Covid, you would have 270 per 100K be vaccinated and get Covid and 100 per 100K be unvaccinated and get Covid, despite a 70% effective vaccine.

 

I get rates. I think you're missing the what I'm arguing here and it's within those UK numbers, which is to say despite infections being higher among the vaccinated (who comprise over over 3 of every 4 UK adults), hospitalization and death rates and absolute totals are much lower compared to earlier waves, and hospitalization and death rates among the vaxxed in the UK are much lower compared to the unvaxxed (see here). But as with the UK, the US is seeing far fewer hospitalizations and deaths among the vaccinated compared to unvaccinated.

By the way, a vaccine at 50% effectiveness is still faiap 50x more effective than being unvaccinated.

 

Yeah...Let's get healthy. If you are not. There are new drugs we have to help fight the disease. If you are older we have new drugs. Just stop with the idea this disease is a major threat to healthy people. It is not.

If you want a vaccine because you feel it will protect you. Get one. Outside that be smart. And live life accordingly.

 

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Dude I didn’t say it was a major threat to healthy people. I said you are 6 times more likely to contract Covid if you are unvaxxed. If you are more likely to get it you are more likely to SPREAD IT to someone who isn’t in perfect health such as yourself. This is where the unselfish part comes in. We’re asking you to do something for SOMEONE ELSE. I know, a foreign concept for an all about me only child.

 

www.tabletmag.com

Very long, but fantastic article about vaccine hesitancy and mandates.

 

As covid eventually gets under control, however that is defined, you may not need boosters that often. But maybe once a year. However it may be after the booster that the immunity is longer term. We just don't know yet. Whatever the case immunity against hospitalization remains pretty strong at 6 months, which is what is most important.

Yes a vaccine resistant variant would obviously be problematic. When you say 50% effectiveness, that is related to infection, not hospitalization and death. Enough immunity to avoid hospitalization is much higher. Also, given Moderna’s superiority it just may be that the optimal dose is higher than the original Pfizer dose.

 

Assuming 100% effectiveness, a decrease in 50% would still make a vaccine basically--i.e. for all intents and purposes--50x more effective than not being vaccinated (and not having any antibodies). I know multiplying by zero truly equals zero but I was assuming a non-zero number with the number being much larger the closer we get to zero.

 

Here are the hard numbers. Not the hard numbers for this age group but the percentages of that age group.

Majority dying are vaccinated. 83.3% of the deaths week 39 to week 42 were fully vaccinated. 66.5% of those admitted for at least one night in the hospital are fully vaccinated. Majority getting Covid are kids (interesting data/they continue to be at little risk).

The data shows that you will get a therapeutic reward for taking the new drug. But it becomes a risk tolerance issue. If you are not at risk...one may decide that it is not worth it to take a new drug. If one is in a high risk category they may decide it is worth it. And some may be low risk and decide it is worth it while some might be high risk and decide it is not worth it for them.

COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report - week 43 (publishing.service.gov.uk)

 

As Covid spikes in high vaccination communities...I think we can say the vaccinated are spreading this quite well also unfortunately.

 

LOL - again, SIX TIMES more likely to get it (and thus spread it) if you’re unvaxxed.

Yes you can clearly still get it and spread it even if you’re vaxxed. But you’re far less likely to if you’re vaxxed.

But again, this is a decision you would have to make for the greater good. And we all know how you’re perfectly healthy so this doesn’t effect you so you don’t care.

pathetic.