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Trump administration concedes Maryland father from El Salvador was mistakenly deported

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  1. ATLGATORFAN

    ATLGATORFAN Premium Member

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    again straw man. To be real clear. The concern for a citizen from El Salvador is way down the list for me. He’s their issue.

    I’m more concerned with statistics like this

    2/3 of kids can’t read fluently and 40% of 4th graders are non readers. Highlight AMERICAN kids

    Two Thirds of American Kids Can't Read Fluently
     
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  2. GatorRade

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    Right here
    I am not a leftist, and I most certainly think he should not have been deported. Because the Supreme Court said so.

    The right is welcome to keep bringing up how it’s ok to defy the courts, but every time they do, they get further from being able to claim the title of party of law and order or even America first.
     
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  3. wgbgator

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    Keeping this story in the news has put Trump's approval on immigration much lower lol. I would suggest that the people saying what you are saying are doing that because they more or less agree with throwing out the law and Constitution to remove people from our country.

    Polls Show Trump’s Approval Rating on Immigration Going South

    Trump has lost his advantage on inflation and immigration
     
  4. vegasfox

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    Illegitimate poll. If you can't poll elections you can't be trusted to poll anything.

    Economist/YouGov can look at the same data other pollsters are seeing and get Dem-biased results because they give too much weight to Democrat leaning groups
     
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  5. ATLGATORFAN

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    so this story is about the rule of law

    Garcia comes to the us and enters illegally. Rule of law ?
    Us law requires asylum claim within a year of arriving. Does he file within a year of arriving? Nope? More rule of law
    Lives illegally for years. Consciously ignoring US law. Then decided to commit assault and battery…..his wife’s words. Not mine “I ran to the bathroom, he [ran] behind me and grabbed me by my arm," Vasquez Sura said. "I have marks on my left arm as well."

    "At this point I am afraid to be close to him," Vasquez Sura added. "I have multiple photos/videos of how [violent] he can be.

    as I pointed out before. All these domestics are the same. Blk white or Hispanic. Man beats woman. Woman calls cops. Cops show up and pull man off woman. Woman then launches into verbal and physical rage at cops telling them to not hurt her boo. . no charges filed. That’s SOP. Does it mean he didn’t do it? Or does it mean they are both super Fd up and pathological liars.

    Then our innocent man gets scooped by yet another law enforcement agency driving with an expired license using a convicted human smuggler car who Garcia claimed is his ‘boss’. With 8 people in whom he doesn’t know going from Houston to Maryland via….. st Louis ? Please take a look a map.

    gets apprehended by a different law enforcement agency in another state with 2 other MS13 members wearing the logo and uniform of MS 13. Of course his attorney claims a bulls hat, and the see, hear, speak no evil marking doesn’t make you MS 13. That would be akin to wearing a blue clippers jersey in crip territory and claiming you weren’t crip, you just like blue jerseys. Knowing full well if you wear that blue jersey there and aren’t a crip you get dead fast. But that’s just another coincidence.

    oh yeah. Forgot. Even though the judge would have loved to grant him asylum,
    He knows Garcia is long past his 1
    Year limit for the claim and thus wasn’t legal ( rule of law again) so he allowed a BS argument that he was afraid for his life back home from who? A gang named Barrio 18 who just happens to be the rival to MS13. Another total coincidence. So yeah. This is all about rhe rule of law. No. It’s 100% about yet another person abusing the system. And no I don’t care he’s back in his home county.
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    He's not 'back in his home country,' he's in a prison from which he cant get out of despite not being charged with or convicted of a crime in the US or El Salvador. If he'd simply been removed to El Salvador, there probably isn't as much of a story here, despite their general law breaking in the process. And is the whole premise of your post that the country should break its own laws because other people do?
     
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  7. ATLGATORFAN

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    you start by saying he’s not back in his home county of El Salvador and expect anything else to be heard. Guy is simply Another parasite of which the world is full. The truth is the left bought in and try to sell this narrative thinking it would hurt Trump. Nothing more. The more ‘truth’ that comes out, the more ridiculous the left looks with with their infatuation with this guy

    . I’m infinitely more concerned about US citizen that can’t read, but that doesn’t seem to bother you so much. I wonder if any of the 8 people in the suburban that he was smuggling are underage girls being sex trafficked.


    Boring stories about US citizens that are illiterate are boring and don’t get
    People to vote.

    About half of American adults have trouble
     
  8. mdgator05

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    Yes, he entered illegally as a minor.

    No, he did not, which is why he was denied asylum.

    And now you move to a bunch of false or misleading claims. Here is the actual timeline. In 2019, he was arrested for loitering outside a Home Depot (where day laborers hang out looking for work) and was supposedly with a member of a different clique of MS-13 that is actually based in the DC area. A police officer filled out a form declaring him as possibly a member of a gang. They state that he is a member of the gang in a clique based in Long Island, a place where he never lived. The court initially denies him bond based upon this finding. However, in the subsequent court case, the evidence of gang membership is weighed and determined to be not compelling. As part of this same case, he presents evidence of a gang harassing his family in El Salvador from a decade before. The court rules that this evidence is compelling and grants him an order of protection from deportation to El Salvador, the only country to which he can legally be deported.

    During this order of protection, he is pulled over in Tennessee (which is on the way between Houston and Maryland). The cop suspects that he is transporting illegal migrants. However, he is not arrested for this and is, instead, only given a citation for driving with an expired license.

    Throughout this entire time, he is not charged with any crime and made every required check-in. He is not even arrested based on the currently available information (there was never a police call to his house, unlike your claims).

    He was then arrested in 2024 and, in violation of an order from the Immigration Court, deported to El Salvador with an active order of protection against deportation to El Salvador. The Trump Administration admits this, calling it an "administrative error."

    The courts have ruled that the Trump Administration needs to facilitate his return consistent with his order of protection. As of now, the Trump administration is failing to abide by court orders to do so and report their efforts.
     
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  9. mdgator05

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    This is an obvious attempt to deflect. Deporting a guy who wasn't supported to be deported has literally nothing to do with the ability of people to read.
     
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  10. ATLGATORFAN

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    No intention of changing your or anyone else’s mind. My belief is that this is a political loser. You disagree.

    anecdotally it’s interesting to me, the same
    People championing this guy, are the same
    Ones that said the border is a manufactured crisis and Biden is sharp as a tack and running circles around his staff. Total falsehoods. And just another coincidence.
     
  11. mdgator05

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    Regardless of your intent, accuracy should always be sought.

    Also, I am not "the one" saying that. Heck, my immigration position is not consistent with either major party (I believe in market-based rather than centrally planned immigration and generally dislike the entire system that has developed in the 100 years since a Klan member wrote a bill to start the quota system).

    Your attempt to deflect to Biden or reading is just an attempt to morally justify to yourself (or others) why you don't care that the government deported a person to a country with an active order against doing so and are now ignoring courts telling them to undo this action.

    Regardless of the politics, there need to be checks-and-balances and the executive branch shouldn't be given the ability to completely ignore the judicial branch whenever they feel like it.
     
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  12. wgbgator

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    I think people who think ordinary people are "parasites" and deserve infinite detention without due process are much more of a problem for civil society. Illiterate people can learn to read with time and effort, so-called "literate" people like you who cant use their brains or be bothered to care about rights have no such excuse. Also LMAO at all your deflections and subject changing, if you didnt care you wouldnt be posting about it so much, you'd be tutoring kids to read instead of posting about immigration.
     
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  13. AzCatFan

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    Due process for all should never be a political loser. If Abrego Garcia is the devil the Trump admin has made him out to be in the court of public opinion, then bring him back to Maryland and put the allegations in front of an immigration judge while allowing AG to mount the defense that is guaranteed by the Constitution. Because once you remove the Constitutional protections for one, it's much easier to make excuses and remove them for anyone else the Trump admin deems undesirable.
     
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  14. g8orbill

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    he is back in his home country and they determined he was an MS 13 member and then they incarcerated him as they have done ALL members of ANY gang- oh the horrors of it all
     
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  15. wgbgator

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    No they didnt, their president said we paid them to put him there, and that's why he's there. I beg of you to visit reality sometime or just get anything right for once.
     
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  16. mdgator05

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    They have not done so. He was transported to the prison straight from the US (as part of a deal where we are paying them to imprison people that have not been convicted of crimes either here or there). Even their President is saying that he was sent there because of what Trump said.
     
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  17. GatorRade

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    Right here
    Again, you are focused on the man and not the law. The constitutional question isn’t whether the man is good; it is instead who decides if the man is good.

    If Trump is vested with the authority to decide, then deporting the man without a trial would be proper. However, he is not, so it is not.

    I will again borrow the words of the senate judiciary committee who rebuked president FDR’s attempt to pack the court with this stirring message:

    For the protection of the people, for the preservation of the rights of the individual, for the maintenance of the liberties of minorities, for maintaining the checks and balances of our dual system, the three branches of the government were so constituted that the independent expression of honest difference of opinion could never be restrained in the people's servants and no one branch could overawe or subjugate the others. That is the American system. It is immeasurably more important, immeasurably more sacred to the people of America, indeed, to the people of all the world, than the immediate adoption of any legislation however beneficial.​
     
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  18. g8orbill

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    matters little to me- he came here illegally, is a MS13 member and a scumbag and has ZERO right to be here. I hope we continue to deport EVERY illegal we can find
     
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  19. AzCatFan

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    When was the trial? Where can we read the transcript and verdict? And why is it OK for the Trump admin to deport someone who has an active protection order to not deport?
     
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  20. g8orbill

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    I could care less if he had a trial or not- he was here illegally and now he is gone and again I want EVERY person here illegally, to be deported - anyone who hires an illegal should be heavily fined if not jailed and anyone who hides them should be as well- and as I have said many many times, I do not care what you libs think about that!
     
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