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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by duggers_dad, Apr 22, 2025 at 8:02 AM.

  1. NavyGator93

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    Well, since you're wrong about pretty much everything, I'll stick to my healthy lifestyle which keeps my weight down.
    Coincidentally, this also keeps me off meds.
     
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  2. docspor

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    get the tissues....
     
  3. duggers_dad

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    Good luck with your healthy lifestyle, AKA as programmed starvation.
     
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    Cancer isn't going to be "cured." That is like asking for infections to be "cured." But there have been massive increases for cure rates across cancers. For example, my niece recently had a cancer that was 90% a death sentence within 5 years only about a decade ago. Now, this has been inverted. 90% cure rate and an even higher survival rate at 5 years. That is what "curing cancer" looks like in reality.
     
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  5. NavyGator93

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    Why do you think a healthy lifestyle is programmed starvation? You seem to have a very unhealthy relationship with food.
    I've spent the bulk of my life as an ultra athlete and even now at 61 I exercise pretty hard. That requires a decent amount of calories.
     
  6. duggers_dad

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    I thought that you were the food moralist. I’m the guy who holds that: (A) we’re all going to die and (B) food tastes yummy.
     
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    Healthy food also helps our bodies immune systems fight viruses
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    All this time I never got Covid. I attribute it to my favorite lunch which is a double-decker peanut butter and jelly sandwich, a banana and a coke.
     
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  12. WESGATORS

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    It's not just about cause of death, though, is it? At a point, increased weight makes it harder to do the things that you have previously enjoyed. If you don't pivot to learn to enjoy knew things, that can be hard on a person mentally which may then lead to other bad habits which decrease the enjoyment of life. At a point, increased weight also adds extra wear on your body (back pain and joint pain in particular). These things lead to a lack of use of the body, and when you use your body less, it can be more painful when you decide you do need to use it. I notice you didn't mention insulin in your list of medications. Why is that?

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  13. duggers_dad

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    I believe healthcare is entirely off the rails with regards to bodyshape which is more heritable than any other attribute, save height, and which is not a proxy for health. Sure, everyone knows someone who knows someone who’s lost 50 lbs and kept it off for twenty years but …

    “As for the attempted prevention of fatness, it is likely exacerbating health outcomes across our populations. Weight loss efforts, as well attempting to maintain a weight level below inherited set point, fail. Studies that suggest health screening markers improve in patients with metabolic chronic conditions if they lose weight always avoid the punchline: 0.003% rate of success in maintaining significant weight loss out five years. And there are no longitudinal studies to show whether these attempts to lose weight actually worsen quality of life and mortality incidence in patients who repeatedly attempt to lose weight, as directly prescribed by their physician, because it will ameliorate markers that denote the presence of a risk factor for future onset of disease. And shifting markers is not the same as improving either quality or length of life either.”

    Science of Fat in Context — EDI

    Regarding insulin, I certainly wouldn’t suggest anyone on it go off it, but I do know that, as is the case with cholesterol and blood pressure, diabetes diagnosis threshold has been lowered, over the years and the fake disease “prediabetes” has been invented. Indeed, is diabetes a disease ?

    Diabetes: Part One — EDI
     
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  14. WESGATORS

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    Hang on a second, we're talking about two different things here. At first we are talking about the "prevention of fatness" but then the quoted material goes on to talk about "weight loss." These are two entirely different things, it's like debt. It's much, much easier to plan on avoiding debt ("prevention of debt") than it is to get out of debt once you are there. Why? Because the spending habits that got you into debt are something you have to overcome on top of the debt that you have incurred. The same goes for not gaining weight vs. attempting to lose weight. It's one thing to say *it's not worth it* to attempting to correct the problem once you are there (I don't agree with that it's not worth it, personally, but I recognize that there's a lot more that goes into it), but it's something else entirely to say it's not worth making the effort to not put yourself in that position to begin with.

    It's a tool that is used to predict failure of the pancreas and give people a chance to manipulate their lifestyle to help avoid future problems. Do you think type 2 diabetes is preventable?

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  15. duggers_dad

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    I regard it as a form of insanity, this insistence that we know better than our body does what it wants to weigh. Conceivably, preventing weight gain is as pointless in trying to lose weight.

    I read a study awhile back that showed that subjects who gained weight through adulthood lived longer than subjects who lost weight through adulthood.

    The primarily American aversion to weight gain is cultural rather than scientific.

    And is extra fat hard on the joints ? First, define “extra.” Second, don’t imagine that larger people don’t also have the requisite muscle to support movement.

    FYI: while a trainer I noticed no correlation between bodyshape and joint issues.

    Diabetes diagnostic threshold was lowered from 140 to 126 in (I believe) the 1990’s. It’s almost as if healthcare wants everyone on statins, blood pressure and diabetes meds.

    Note: when I was a personal trainer I worked with two diabetics. I had to secure permission from their doctors to work with them and in bth cases, the doctors endorsed weight loss.

    Kicker: both trainees allowed as how they experienced their precipitous weight gain AFTER they were diagnosed with diabetes.
     
  16. WESGATORS

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    Which countries do you believe have a lower aversion to weight gain? My understanding is that we are a top 10 nation! We're basically World Champs when you factor in classification status.

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  17. duggers_dad

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    We’re bonafide top ten in weight and #1 in aversion to weight. BTW, one reason Americans are larger than peer nations is almost certainly chronic dieting. Another would be … wait for it - medications.
     
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    We are in a very weird point in history where it is easy to consume more calories than we use. This a combination of types of food, cost of food, types of jobs, types of transportation, etc.. I think there is a much better argument to be made that society has changed quicker than our bodies and cognitive understanding have been able to adjust to this easily obtained calorie surplus.

    This would be interesting, any chance you have the source.



    Are you suggesting that with all other factors being equal, a higher body fat % does not correlate to higher rate/instance of disease?
     
  19. WESGATORS

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    If being overweight is not bad, why do you have a problem with the dieting and medications that would cause it?

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  20. duggers_dad

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    The main reason I don’t believe we’re eating ourselves to death is because the larger we got, the longer we lived … until a slight downward blip in 2015 which was attributed to opioids … then came pan-panic in 2020.

    I firmly believe our bodies are always a step ahead of us. We go on a diet. It ramps up hunger and ramps down satiety … almost as if it means to defend its weight.

    Ponderously fat people die sooner but the riskiest category is underweight.
     
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