The Pope passes at 88

l_boy · Apr 21, 2025 at 11:49 AM

JD Vance = Grim Reaper.

cocodrilo · Apr 21, 2025 at 12:15 PM

Trump and Vance are starting their own Body Count. What a start!

duggers_dad · Apr 21, 2025 at 12:32 PM

It could work …

ajoseph · Apr 21, 2025 at 12:35 PM

CaptUSMCNole said: ↑

Agreed. The ending goes off the rails but the overall movie is extremely good with a great cast. I'm sure a lot of folks are going to rewatch it this week.
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The movie closely followed the book …

ajoseph · Apr 21, 2025 at 12:52 PM

92gator said: ↑

Donald:

I understand some of the concerns under-girding your post here, but I respectfully dissent on a couple of points.

First, I do not doubt Pope Benny 16's motives for stepping down at all. The Church was bleeding out, especially in his own native Germany, under his Papacy. He was just not a particularly compelling Pope, and he doubted his own abilities and results. He was a great writer, academic, and doctrinist--but not a great *leader*--which is obviously (one would think) indispensable to the position of "leader of the Catholic Church". On top of that, he caught the brunt of one of the hardest most challenging issues the Church has had to confront in its history--the priest child molestation spectre that hung over the Church for decades. He was no where near up to that daunting task, and rightfully, out of humility, stepped down. He recognized and knew that he was not only not the guy for the task, but in fact, detrimental to the Church he sought to serve (and which he faithfully served his entire life) in the capacity of Pope. He did well to step down, and he prayed very much on it. His value to the Church was far greater in anchoring doctrine through his writings, than in leading people.

Enter Pope Francis.

Now, for context---I am a conservative Catholic. Always have been. Jesus Christ, was simply not. Jesus came in the name of love to shock the world with Truth--the Truth of love, damnation, salvation, and God. He came, and established a Church--which has proven indispensable, invaluable and extraordinarily effective in preserving and conveying the Faith--a faith, that paradoxically disdains the the very anchors it relies upon for its own proliferation. You see this in Christ disdaining the Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Sanhedrin, etc--for their placing of process and style over substance--while still observing the Jewish traditions that honor, preserve and perpetuate, the Jewish Faith. The same paradoxical tension ever remains in the Catholic Church. The call to serve the poor, the hopeless, the sinner, the dirty the down trodden...while simultaneously needing to anchor the Faith doctrinally, sacramentally, Traditionally....etc,--institutionally--in and through the adherence to, and honoring of, "Sacred Tradition". Hence the institutional Church is and remains indispensable to the Faith--much like "the Sabbath"--(the "Lord's Day"--Sunday, as a reflection of the Day of the Resurrection--in Christianity)--while both exist to serve Man, and not Man to serve them, as Jesus taught, when he "broke the Sabbath", by daring to heal a repentant sinner, on the Sabbath.

Pope Francis as Pope, happened to more accurately reflect the rebellious Christ who challenged the orthodoxy and the rigid traditionalism that anchors the Church, in the name of Love--he did so, as Vicar of Christ--in essence, challenging the Church He founded, as he challenged the authority of the chosen people ("the Jews"), through whom He came us--while preserving and even strengthening both (I know, I know... Jews would naturally take exception to this contention, but... due respect--we obviously have our differences as to the meaning of Jesus Christ vis a vis the Jewish Faith, and whether the promise of the Messiah is a promise fulfilled, vs one yet to be... C'est la vie--not disrespect intended; just acknowledging our differences...).

As far as the Latin Mass goes... what is so special about Latin? If we're to anchor the mass to a lingual tradition, oughtn't we do so in Aramaic--the language that Christ as man--who went by Yeshua in his native tongue, when he walked amongst us--spoke--then be the language of the Mass? Oughtn't we then reword the Hail Mary to Shla-ma Il-lakh Maryem....Theotokos...etc, if we're to anchor the Faith to a single language, rather than in the vernacular, which is intended to make Faith more accessible to the People?

Note that the Catholic Church--which is commonly know as the Roman Catholic Church (Latin Rite)--is "Roman" (from whence the Latin as lingua franca originates), because it was based out of Rome--the heart of the Roman Empire--AT THE TIME--by St. Peter, and later St. Paul, returning to Rome to join St Peter (and to die on the same exact day as St. Peter)--point being, the Roman roots was a matter of pragmatism--the most efficient way to reach the most people, was to go to Rome, and spread the Faith form thence, rather than from Jerusalem--not an indispensable article of faith built into the Faith, by Christ.

Finally, fwiw--or I should say, for better or for worse--to your last point--I don't think you'll be disappointed. Pope Francis rocked the Church...they'll likely be looking for a little more stability. I expect a sway back to conservatism in the new pope, and most likely, an Italian--the first since 1978.

Jmho/fwiw.
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Thanks for this. Very informative.

tilly · Apr 21, 2025 at 1:06 PM

citygator said: ↑

Seemed like a kind man.

A little off topic but the movie Conclave about a Pope's death and replacement was riveting. The ending was a bit silly but id give 99% of that movie 5 stars.
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Someone literally was just talking about that in the office. Might have to check it out.

thomadm · Apr 21, 2025 at 1:07 PM

I guess they weren't joking about the tariffs...

ThePlayer · Apr 21, 2025 at 1:16 PM

citygator said: ↑

Seemed like a kind man.

A little off topic but the movie Conclave about a Pope's death and replacement was riveting. The ending was a bit silly but id give 99% of that movie 5 stars.
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Ironically, Sinners is the #1 movie this week.

rivergator · Apr 21, 2025 at 3:08 PM

Pope Francis Easter speech: Read full text of his final address here

demosthenes · Apr 21, 2025 at 3:56 PM

Gatorrick22 said: ↑

Please feel free to elaborate... I cannot wait to hear your explanation.
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The Pope ticked off his final bucket list item meeting JD Vance and could thus peacefully slide into his final rest.

jhenderson251 · Apr 21, 2025 at 4:10 PM

thedonaldgod said: ↑

RIP Pope. I am sorry you have passed away, but I really won't miss you that much. For the medical part, I don't think he really ever fully got over the bout with double pneumonia. He was supposedly "close to death" and then "fine" like 2 days later, I don't think so. I think they were just pumping him full of drugs to keep him going until after Easter Sunday, and they did.

As a Catholic, the whole situation with Pope Benedict retiring never felt on the up and up. Pope's do not "retire", you are Pope until you die. Pope Benedict IMO was forced out for political reasons and Pope Francis to me was not pope until Pope Benedict died in 2022.

I know it won't happen, because it's become clear the Global Elite control the Vatican, but I would love to see us get a more conservative Pope. We have to get away from the Jesuits, who want to make the Catholic Church pretty much no different than most Christian denominations.

As much as I admire Pope John Paul II, Vatican II was a mistake. In the very least, I would like to see more emphasis on bringing back the Latin mass as an option. Outside of a few old churches in the Northeast, Midwest and some urban areas in the south like Miami and New Orleans.

One of the things Pope Francis did that I hated, was put more restrictions on the Latin Mass. And try to make it like those who celebrate the Latin Mass are outcasts upon the Catholic Church. The Latin Mass is a beautiful service, even for non-Catholics to witness. The Latin Mass is the true mass, I loved experiencing it when I was younger. I'm not even saying it has to be the true mass at all churches again, but if you live in a decently metro area, you should have at least one church that has a traditional Latin Mass. To me that is pathetic if you don't.

Sadly I have no doubt the Globalist Elite will put in another liberal Jesuit Pope, but I can hope that the Catholic Church pivots to a more conservative leader, more in line with Jesus Christ.
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Did you and your mom have a nice Easter at home by yourself?

DawgFanFromAlabam · Apr 21, 2025 at 4:21 PM

Didn’t really try to repair damage or stop pedophile priests did he? My biggest strike against that Church…rape some boys, get transferred to a new Parrish (who aren’t warned about your actions), no accountability for RAPE. Almost Trump-like.

DawgFanFromAlabam · Apr 21, 2025 at 6:11 PM

DawgFanFromAlabam said: ↑

Didn’t really try to repair damage or stop pedophile priests did he? My biggest strike against that Church…rape some boys, get transferred to a new Parrish (who aren’t warned about your actions), no accountability for RAPE. Almost Trump-like.
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Ok Vax - take out the Trump dig. Still have a problem?

vaxcardinal · Apr 21, 2025 at 6:19 PM

DawgFanFromAlabam said: ↑

Ok Vax - take out the Trump dig. Still have a problem?
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Nope

DawgFanFromAlabam · Apr 21, 2025 at 6:22 PM

Bill - don’t like the Trump dig or think he did wonders for those abused by priests?

sierragator · Apr 21, 2025 at 7:18 PM

If the new pope sees his shadow, do we get six more weeks of tariffs?

chemgator · Apr 22, 2025 at 7:10 AM

If only MTG had something to say about the passing of Pope Francis to enlighten the world . . .

vaxcardinal · Apr 22, 2025 at 9:17 AM

chemgator said: ↑

If only MTG had something to say about the passing of Pope Francis to enlighten the world . . .
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the balloting is done in private so dont think you'll see who she voted for

vegasfox · Apr 22, 2025 at 10:19 AM

danmanne65 · Apr 22, 2025 at 10:29 AM

DawgFanFromAlabam said: ↑

Didn’t really try to repair damage or stop pedophile priests did he? My biggest strike against that Church…rape some boys, get transferred to a new Parrish (who aren’t warned about your actions), no accountability for RAPE. Almost Trump-like.
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It’s not just the Catholic Church. Adult males left alone with unrelated children is never good decision making. Youth pastors, Boy Scout troop leaders, heck there was a scandal about youth hockey players getting raped.

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