@WESGATORS @GatorBen @blackbird68 @GatorLaw25 @duchen thoughts? if the Supremes allow this to stand, do you agree with the author that ICE could snatch up and put anybody in a foreign prison without due process and keep them there indefinitely playing shell games? DO you think Stephen Miller will agree or disagree with you if this is allowed to continue? any other of our experienced jurists here want to weigh in here on how they think this will play out? at what point can ICE agents be prosecuted for civil rights violations by the state. following an unlawful order is not a defense, or is it? how does potus ignore a 9-0 order? would you be held in contempt if you made these arguments to a federal judge as to why you cannot produce a witness as directed to? 'This is the crisis moment': Political scientist says Trump crossed a crucial red line During a press conference with El Salvador President Nayib Bukele on Monday, the Associated Press reported that Trump passed the buck to Attorney General Pam Bondi, who said she would "facilitate" García's return by ensuring a plane was available. Bukele, however, said he would not release a terrorist to the U.S. "I had been doubtful that we were going to have a 'this is the crisis moment' with Trump, as opposed to 'everything about this is a destructive catastrophe.' But the Abrego Garcia case is the crisis moment," wrote Levy in response. "An firm, open commitment to the destruction of habeas corpus — the creation of a new rule that says anyone the administration orders ICE to seize can be shoved onto a flight to a torture prison in another country and there's nothing any US court can do about it— destroys constitutionalism," he alleged. "The fact that the administration is, *at the same time,* announcing an intention to include US citizens in the shipments to El Salvador makes it all the more plain and open — but the rule they're embracing in the Ábrego García case already includes citizens by implication," Levy continued. "Add on DOJ's arguments in the Ozturk case: even if a person was seized by ICE for reasons that violate the First Amendment, i.e. for plainly protected speech, they'll be treated as outside habeas protection, and by the way, we can keep dodging federal court jurisdiction by moving the prisoner," he added.
How long before Czar Trump has a political rival “disappeared”? Or simply a politician who doesn’t agree with his views? What then, MAGA? Continue to look the other way? When will they start to shut down free speech and the right to express your opinions? Tomorrow? This is something that they would do in Russia, North Korea, Iran, and you are okay with this?
So the american president is basically going against a supreme court decision? So now we’re letting presidents pick and choose what rulings to follow? Especially if its the wrong person and it was an error, what happens when he incorrectly starts sending american citizens...is that what republicans are waiting for?
So the scotus is irrelevant. Good to know. So the laws don't apply to any of the rest of us either, right?
start with suppressing habeas and free speech protection with most vulnerable, easily depicted as evil and go from there once you have them on the slippery slope. get it to stand with most vulnerable and then scope creep from there until opposition is essentially illegal. Law firms, universities, states, all being punished for free speech opposition. maga and even many indy voters thought we were stupid when we discussed this happening and yet, here we are. on the precipice.
The Trump admin telling SCOTUS to piss off is probably the straw that's gonna break the camels back on the future of this country. This is a huge deal, and I see very little pushback from anyone on it, especially Republicans. MAGA shit all over due process, admitted it, and has dared anyone to do anything about it.
Another major update on the Ozturk case: the Department of State found no evidence of Anti-Semitism or support for terrorism. But she said something that they didn't want said. And that is all that it takes now to deport legal immigrants. Speech that the government doesn't like.
They are trying to be a combination of an Andrew Jackson / Herbert Hoover presidency, a bold gambit. But maybe not considering Democrats were having cringy Andrew Jackson dinners into the Obama presidency, and Republicans have been doing "Hoover did nothing wrong" paeans to the present day (Along with Nixon). What presidents havent been rehabilitated? You could correctly state that Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus, and is well, one of the greatest American presidents.
supremes are cooking I'm sure. this just dropped this weekend. what they come back with and how definitive it is in direction and timelines will tell. Roberts has bent over backwards to stop from drawing a line in the sand but trump is determined to force his hand.
and refuse AP admission in violation of a court order some people need to start getting locked up for this type stuff. this level of contempt by the executive branch cannot be tolerated Despite a court order, White House bars AP from Oval Office event Despite a court order, a reporter and photographer from The Associated Press were barred from an Oval Office news conference on Monday with President Donald Trump and his counterpart from El Salvador, Nayib Bukele. Last week's federal court decision forbidding the Trump administration from punishing the AP for refusing to rename the Gulf of Mexico was to take effect Monday. The administration is appealing the decision and arguing with the news outlet over whether it needs to change anything until those appeals are exhausted.
Thinking about this from Trump's perspective, I'd guess he's thinking that (1) he can just tell his DOJ not to prosecute or enforce any action coming from the judicial branch or (2) he can pardon anyone if it comes to it.
we will see New polling reveals what even Republicans won’t stand from Pres. Trump - masslive.com CNN poll analyst Harry Enten was clear in a report he tweeted Wednesday — if Trump were to do this, it would “cross the rubicon,” he said. What he was referring to was defying court orders that were unfavorable to him. Enten displayed numbers from a recent Washington Post-Ipsos poll that showed that 84% of all adults, Democrat, Republican or independent, thought he should not defy the courts.
They are seeing what they can get away with. The answer right now is anything they want. This will not end well.
Ignoring the scotus with impunity, as congress sits on its hands. So much for checks, balances, and three co equal branches.
Ice agents are violating constitutional rights by not presenting these people in front of a judge for a deportation hearing. that should be able to be charged at the state level.
