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Can Anyone Explain Why, After 249 Years, We "Need" Greenland

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ncargat1, Mar 28, 2025 at 9:22 PM.

  1. Gatorhead

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    Ya'll are dancing around the answer but alluding to it. The answer is simple, the capitalist barons in the mining industry that extract ore, minerals, gold, rare earth commodities, fishing, hunting, ya know, your basic American natural resource exploitation and environmental destruction power barons, are foamimg at the mouth, and of course the kickbacks that go to the Trump and GOP cronies who are counting the projected mountain of cash coming their way once they do this.

    When the USA invades Greenland, in violation of International law, how does that make us any different than Russia in Ukraine?
     
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  2. demosthenes

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    Denmark already subsidizes Greenland to the tune of 20% of its GDP. That half billion dollars already makes its way to Greenlanders in various forms including free healthcare. I doubt they’re getting healthcare alone for $2,000 a year. If you’re talking about giving $2,000 a year on top of current subsidies (matching Denmark’s) then we’re probably paying ~$700M a year just to keep the island functional, plus whatever increases we would add for new operations. I have no way of guessing what amounts of “income” we would generate.

    From what I’ve read there are five political parties in Greenland and they are unanimously against joining the US. Their population at 85% against. Denmark is against. Honestly, the rest of the world is against this as well. I can’t see they punt off us doing this with our current alliances. If Trump has put as much effort into strengthening our alliance with Denmark he would have gotten probably most of what he wants. That will be for a new President since the ship has sailed with him.
     
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  3. vegasfox

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    This is the opposite of the truth. MAGA is a ground up movement. That's why Trump got booed when he bragged about the vax or when he introduced the Pfizer CEO.

    Trump is a populist. He champions popular ideas.

    When Trump decided to run for president he paid someone to listen to the Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage radio shows. That's how he learned how big the immigration issue was, for example
     
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  4. BLING

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    Aside from all this “budget math”, if you were a native Greenlander would you trust the U.S. under Donald Trump to honor any deal? Hell even our pre-Trump early American history shows we’d probably put them on reservations before we’d start cutting them in on a share of their own natural resources (that’s called socialism if you haven’t heard).
     
  5. gator_jo

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    I would trust Donald Trump to only steal from me, in any deal.

    But maybe if they're lucky he'll set up a rug-pull meme coin that they can profit from. Greenland Coin.


    Edit; upon further reflection, this is less outlandish than I'd thought. I'm going to be on the lookout for this, to maybe balance my portfolio by adding it to my holdings of Melania Coin.
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    What is decent about forcefully taking a country and alienating century old allies?
     
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  7. G8trGr8t

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    Can we trade for Puerto Rico and get them off the dole? Offer every greenlander a 1 acre lot on a tropical island
     
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  8. GrandPrixGator

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    The idea of forcing isn’t decent. But the pursuit of such in a diplomatic manner might bear fruit for all involved. Often the manner in which they go about achieving a goal shows they have little regard for other human beings. Just bad actors across the board.
     
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  9. l_boy

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    A New American Imperialism? - Zeihan on Geopolitics


    Second one, Greenland is, of course, all in the news these days. Trump is wanting to buy Greenland for quite some time. And yes, while you can project power from Greenland, no argument there. And we use it for space tracking. And yes, it has a population under 100,000 people.

    It’s a huge chunk of territory, and the people who live there are extremely poor. And if the United States were to take it over, we would then be responsible for the entire territory. One of the beautiful things we have about the make up right now is that Denmark is one of our fastest allies when it comes to doing things in Greenland, they have never once said no. And when it comes to doing things in the Baltic Sea, in the North Sea, which are an order of magnitude more important, they have never said no.

    So if we were to go in and snag Greenland, obviously we could do it if we wanted to. It might cost us, one of our strongest and most loyal allies in one of the most sensitive parts in the world. Moving forward. I would say that that’s not the best plan. Iceland kind of falls into the same category.

    Population of under million dominates the North Atlantic. It’s an independent country. But if you wanted to project power into the Russian sphere, it is a fantastic platform, especially in collaboration with the United Kingdom. But we already do that. And the Icelanders take care of their own business, and they have decided publicly to never field a military. They will just let the United States do it. But the cost for that is the United States is allowed to do whatever it wants, whenever it wants. So we get all the benefits of occupying the territory without actually having to pay for occupying the territory.
     
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  10. tigator2019

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    In my head--- UF
    if a trumper could provide at least 10 reasons for taking this country, please do so

    and the craziest of crazy times, simply mentioning Greenland would be enough of a head scratcher, but this imperialist also wants Canada and Panama

    so I will play along give me 10 reasons why Greenland should be part of the United States
     
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    If Trump is Putin's puppet then Putin must want the US to annex Greenland and use it as a springboard to the Arctic, right?
     
  12. chemgator

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    Exactly. There are mental and moral defectives running the most powerful nation on earth. That means that taking things by force suddenly becomes a thinkable option.
     
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  13. vaxcardinal

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    Or they realize that Greenland is strategically in a prime location for the artic routes.
     
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  15. chemgator

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    Greenland would gladly give us rights for a military base if we asked nicely (we already have one there). Why is it we need to take the entire nation by force?
     
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  16. demosthenes

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    Forgotten that Tom Cotton was suckered by a forged letter from Greenland’s foreign minister in Trump’s first term and based on that Cotton floated the idea of the US acquiring Greenland to Trump? That’s the origin story.
     
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  17. g8trdoc

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    Yeah why not.
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    uhmm..because for the last 200 years or so this country has stood against tyrants trying to enforce their will on others.

    and now you want to be that tyrant?

    what other countries should we spill blood to take? Canada? I think we should go with New Zealand to expand our naval footprint. Would you prefer Australia? Korea and Taiwan to China and we get Japan and New Zealand. sounds fair, why not, national security..wait..fraud and national security you say?.legally requried to invade Canada now

    you don't see a problem here? seriously? are you trolling?
     
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  19. g8trdoc

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    Yeah I like New Zealand too did not know that was an option. I’ll pass on Canada though too many whiny libs.
     
  20. G8trGr8t

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    when you have the worlds largest military, what isn't on the table if you are willing to slaughter enough people? 1 tactical nuke in Christchurch or Auckland and they'll fold like a cheap suit. sound good?