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Florida - Proposal to let workers opt out of minimum wage gains momentum

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8tas, Mar 25, 2025.

  1. G8tas

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    Proposal to let workers opt out of minimum wage gains momentum

    A bill to create a sub-minimum wage cleared a second House panel with a 12-4 party-line vote.

    In presenting the bill (HB 541), Republican Rep. Ryan Chamberlin argued that an unintended consequence of Florida’s minimum wage is that employers cannot afford to pay unskilled workers for pre-apprenticeships and other education.

    “This, I believe, is having a huge impact on young people,” Chamberlin said during the House Careers and Workforce Subcommittee. “Should they choose, this bill will allow an employee to waive the right to minimum wage if he or she is receiving other value in an internship, pre-apprenticeship or on the job workforce training.”

    Proposal to let workers opt out of minimum wage gains momentum

    Yes Mr. Manager, please pay may less than minimum wage. Who would sign up for that?

     
  2. OklahomaGator

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    You can't pay less than the federal minimum wage. Does Florida have a higher minimum wage that the federal wage?
     
  3. G8tas

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    Yes it took a ballot initiative to raise the minimum wage because Tallahassee wouldn't do it
     
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  4. G8R92

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    Just an extension of Governor Ron's education system on slavery and the benefits of OJT.

    DeSantis, however, is continuing to defend Florida's new curriculum, which covers a broad range of topics and includes the assertion for middle school instruction that "slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

    DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery
     
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  5. wgbgator

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    Bringing back child labor at sub-minimum wage, now that's freedom baby! Finally honest citizens will be able to compete with the slave labor of our prison systems, by exempting themselves from fair pay!
     
  6. WarDamnGator

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    Voters passed a constitutional amendment to raise minimum wage in Florida… unless there was opening for exceptions in that amendment, I’m not sure how this would be legal…
     
  7. g8orbill

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    I would not be in favor of this move
     
  8. tigator2019

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    In my head--- UF
    Let me make sure I have this right. I'm a parent. So I'm going to have my 14 year old WORK OVERNIGHT for less than minimum wage? AND the current employer who must guarantee breaks (and in some cases a meal), no longer has to do that?

    Do they think I and my child have lost our collective minds? Who the hell is going to see a 14-16 year old any where to work at night on a school day?

    Find me anyone who will sign up for that.

    On sub minimum are they really this out of touch?

    "Let’s say that a McDonald’s franchise owner owns 10 restaurants. That individual would be able to simply call something an internship for every single employee, and then say, ‘If you want to work here, you need to sign this waiver to work for $6.16 an hour,'” Templin said. “I do not believe that is the sponsor’s intent, but that is what will happen if this bill passes as is, since we’re reaching the midpoint of the Session.”

    In defense, Chamberlin argued that the bill is not meant to be a long-term situation and would only allow employees to get a minimum wage exception waiver that’s good for 12 months

    So a rich guy with 10 restaurants wants to take advantage of a kid. That is NOT a republican core principle
     
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  9. CHFG8R

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    Only industry where this makes sense to me is restaurants (I believe you have experience here). If given a choice between minimum wage and no tips or the old $2.35 + Tips, I'm taking the latter all day and Sunday as I'll blow minimum wage out of the water. Maybe that's just nice restaurants, IDK.
     
  10. g8orbill

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    most servers would take the $2.35 + tips all day long
     
  11. G8tas

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    Make Kids Work For Less Than Minimum Wage Again
     
  12. vegasfox

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    My buddy and I gave Lexi a $52 tip at a Casselberry golf course yesterday. Being super friendly and having a pile driving a$$ goes a long way. Sadly, with the warmer weather she's switched from wearing "spanks" to wearing skirts. The real looker is Kiera, who works the clubhouse on weekends when Lexi is the cart girl. Solid 9+ in looks and personality.

    States spend far too much on pensions. Former secretary with DER that I know brings in $80,000/year. Former NYC cop I know brings in $180,000/yr plus social security. His medical care is free (Vietnam vet with 100% disability). He brings in $690/day tax free

    Gov't spends way too much so taxes are way to high. Healthcare costs +3 times as much as it should. Education costs are super excessive. If Elon was dictator for a decade things would improve greatly. Democracy is overrated. Milton Friedman said that complying with gov't regulations eats up an additional 10% of national income.
     
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  13. vegasfox

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    As for the minimum wage, it 2 people want to enter into an economic arrangement why should the gov't get in the way? An old black man I know sold barbecue at a gas station. Hard to serve food and handle money when the number of people in line might be as many as 40+. So the BBQ guy let his wife sit at a card table and take money/make change. On a slow or rainy day it would be hard to make money if he had to pay her minimum wage.

    When the first minimum wage law went into effect black teen unemployment skyrocketed
     
  14. WarDamnGator

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    John Oliver did a segment recently on this and how servers are leaving states with $2.35 + tips to states with minimum wage + tips. There are a ton of problems with tipping these days, from a “no tip ever” movement, to restaurant owners gaming the system and keeping mandatory “service fees” that customer’s think are tips, to waiters being required to “tip share” with busboys and hosts (so now the tip is paying everyone’s salary…), etc. If a customer leaves no tip, waiters are required in some cases to pay the bus boy and host out of their own pocket. It’s a mess. I’m sure waiters at pricey steak houses are doing great, but Denny’s, not so much.
     
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  15. CHFG8R

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    That's the point. I did good because we're a good restaurant and I would make that trade all day. That said, I know women who worked in little breakfast joints who would also never make that trade. $15/Hour + Tips? Sounds great, but I just don't see how that's viable at anything other than very fine dining.

    Also, tip share has been around for decades. It's not some new scam concocted by owners. Typically 2-3% of sales. That said, it's BS paying busboys $2.35 + Tips as they get a meager share. I tip them out whether required or not. Guess who's tables get bussed first?
     
  16. GatorFanCF

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    As usual, the devil's in the details. Raise the minimum wage so high and owner/operators like the one you describe above will simply go to automation and self-service. So, previously you would have (predominantly) teenagers in entry level, low skilled positions learning work skills like being on time, working with others and dealing with customers. Now, you'll have tech/IT types working with all the computers and mechanics repairing and maintaining the machines. Where will the teens learn jobs skills?

    All of this reminds me of the old joke: I went to see my boss and told him "Mr. Boss, it's time I started getting paid what I'm worth." Boss replied "I sure would like to do that, son, but there's a minimum wage law and I cannot"
     
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  17. G8tas

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    Don't blame the move to automation on minimum wage. Automation has been and will always be the goal of businesses
     
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  18. pogba

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    Who votes for these people? Seriously
     
  19. demosthenes

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    In my state there is no exception, it’s minimum wage plus tips.
     
  20. demosthenes

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    This is a remarkably poor take as it’s nothing more than a modern Luddite position.
     
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