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Foreign Travel to US Falling Fast

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mdgator05, Mar 18, 2025 at 11:43 AM.

  1. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    Free version of the Fortune Article:

    Foreign tourism into the U.S. is suddenly reversing and is now expected to drop, due in part to ‘polarizing Trump administration policies and rhetoric’

    So the combination of tariffs, locking up tourists and legal residents, and threatening to take over countries doesn't encourage travel and is costing the US billions of dollars. Sounds like good policy.
     
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  2. g8orbill

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    oh the horrors of it all
     
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  3. G8trGr8t

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    three weeks in the slammer for this young british woman attempting to enter the USA using a tourist visa when she was bartering chores for shelter

    Dad of detained US tourist urges care on visa requirements

    A Welsh woman has spoken about being held in "horrendous" conditions after she was accused of "violating" her visa and was stopped at the US border.

    Becky Burke, 28, has spent 11 days in a US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) processing centre in Washington State and was also denied entry into Canada, over a "visa mix-up".

    Speaking to the BBC, Ms Burke said: "They keep saying in all their booklets that this is not a prison. It's hard to distinguish from my conception of a prison."

    ICE said: "All aliens in violation of U.S. immigration law may be subject to arrest, detention and, if found removable by final order, removal from the United States regardless of nationality."
     
  4. mdgator05

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    It must be tough to defend losing billions of dollars for nothing except the emotional joy of locking up legal residents and tourists, huh?
     
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  5. thomadm

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    Who cares? Guess if your a Marriot board member or stock holder you care, but last time I left the house there was plenty of traffic and cars parked at the hotels.
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    do you think that billions of foreign dollars in lost revenue will have no impact on the communities that rely on that income?
     
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  7. exiledgator

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    This won't be called fake news. It will be celebrated.
     
  8. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

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    Quite a few ways that this impacts the economy. Certainly more than just Marriott. Car rental companies, airlines, restaurants, local governments (tourist taxes are a major source of revenue and a lot of areas run convention centers), hotels, airports, retailers that rely on tourists, etc. All their stakeholders (share holders, workers, landlords, etc.) are impacted.
     
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  9. AzCatFan

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    Who cares? How about states and areas that rely on tourism dollars to make their budget. Like, I don't know, the entire state of Florida? In 2023, international tourists spent $14.9 billion (with a B) in Florida. For a state without a state income tax, that's a lot of sales tax receipts that the state will be short. Tourists also spend a lot of money renting cars, dining out, going to attractions, etc.

    Want more proof this will hurt Florida? A 10% reduction in Canadian snowbirds will cost Florida $6.5 billion and Arizona $1.4 billion. Canadians can stay up to six months in the US without a Visa, and snowbirds aren't your typical tourists. They are part time residents that pour a lot of money into a community.
     
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  10. sierragator

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    So much winning! Lost income for American workers and American businesses. Yay team!
     
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  11. archigator_96

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    I'll let you know when I notice shorter lines and crowds and Disney and Universal Studios.
     
  12. gator95

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    Think trump is making dumb moves regarding Canada in particular. Not smart economically to piss off a large portion of any country that we are friendly with.
     
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  13. mdgator05

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    Disney started losing visitors in 2024. Their execs are worried that this will make the situation worse.
     
  14. BLING

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    The people going “who cares, too much traffic, things are too expensive anyway” are basically channeling AOC.

    I didn’t know this board had so many anti-growth commies.
     
  15. archigator_96

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    If you say so. We go a lot and there is always at least a 90 minute wait for the good rides. And reservations for sit down places are hard to get unless you make them a few weeks in advance.
     
  16. AzCatFan

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    Here's an article on Disney's visitor worries. It's only going to get worse with less international travelers to the US.
     
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  17. gator95

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    That is incorrect.

    Disney Theme Park Attendance Was Flat in 2024

    Disney Theme Park Attendance Flat in 2024
    In terms of attendance, Disney says that domestic attendance was up just 1% in 2024 compared to 6% in 2023. Internationally, attendance was up 9% in 2024.

    Additional color such as hotel bookings were flat in 2024 domestically at 85% occupancy – the same occupancy figure as 2023.

    In terms of guest spending, domestic parks saw a 3% uptick in 2024, and international parks were up 4%.
     
  18. ajoseph

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    This is one of the natural by-products of isolationism that so many on here crave.

    Unfortunately, the next by-product is the demand for US goods abroad.
     
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  19. mdgator05

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    They saw declines in Q4 2024.

    Disney's parks see decline in visitors. Here's why.
     
  20. gator95

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    So, for the year DIS theme park attendance was up 1%. Regarding the 4th Quarter data, here is the reasons why:

    Disney states that the decrease in visitors reflects the impact of Hurricane Helene, which made landfall in Florida in September, and Hurricane Milton, which directly hit Central Florida the following month. The hurricanes forced Disney World to shut down several operations, costing the company about $120 million.

    It is also important to note that in October, Disney announced price increases for several Disneyland and Disney World tickets and passes.