My belief is since the republicans control both houses and the White House then the shutdown should be on them and not the Democrats. However given the leadership in the Democratic Party there’s a question as to what they’ll actually do.
Will or should? If its 'will' ... always count on the Democrats to avoid a fight and offer lib-brain rationalization for it, until I see otherwise
I know. For decades there has always been enough democrats around to disappoint us in what should be done. Fetterman to me is a huge disappointment.
Senate Democrats will eventually cave. They are spineless AND have been outmaneuvered by the MAGA sycophants. The scared children that they are cannot combat the propaganda machine of Twitter.
LOL, uniparty ain't gonna cut back on any spending that will make any difference...we're something like 300 B in the hole every month.
Let's see... Republicans are threatening to shut down the government under republican control. Normal is Republicans threatening to shut down the government under democrat control. This is 100% on Republicans. Democrats are not going to support a CR they have no input into unless they get concessions.
Dems sit it out: gop blames them for the shutdown Dems help out: gop blames Dem for running up the deficit. Heads I win, tails you lose.
Its not a great position to begin with, because in a shutdown the president probably has even more power to determine who gets money. And who's to say they just keep the government shut down indefinitely? Ultimately, why be complicit though? I understand the concept of harm reduction, but you are either empowering DOGE or Trump, so why give the votes in any case? Politics is driven by conflict, so at some point, you do have to create some if you want to be an opposition party of any sort. A clean temporary CR isnt a different ask from their past positions on debt ceilings.
One Republican in the House and one in the Senate will vote against the CR and it's the Republicans shutting down the government? What kind of logic is that?
If your position is that the debt ceiling should be a time for policy concessions/making, you are basically using a shutdown as leverage. The only thing Republicans "need" Dem votes on is cloture ... which is because Republican Senate rules, which they could change anytime with a majority vote. I believe after cloture, its straight majority. As always with the stupid Senate, its people's commitment to a made up rule that creates the leverage point, which could be changed at anytime. Shit, we could just vote to eliminate the debt ceiling too, but then you'd lose that leverage point to use made-up crises as times to do policy changes.
I think it is stupid politically for dems to be seen as responsible for a shutdown. why change the narrative from the trainwreck?
Well if they grant the votes for cloture, they could be portrayed as complicit to the ongoing DOGE shutdown that is already happening. There is no scenario where someone couldnt make the argument they own it to some degree. Dems are bad at creating their own narrative for anything, because they dont have a media ecosystem to do that for them like the right.
I love how so many people are having the "arguments" of decades ago. Specifically; you think it might be important to figure out who might be to blame for shutting down the government. Quaint. Your political party literally attacked the government with the goal of not having to transfer power after an election. Then you voted for the people who did, and lied about, that. But now we pretend that didn't happen? We pretend that your political party has enough integrity to be considered a legitimate "participant" in these government discussions? Nah. I mean sure, legally I guess they are where they are, shockingly. Able to be doing what they're doing, in a legal sense. (Except when, as with Trump, Elon or DOGE they're actually NOT doing things that are legal.) But this is a criminal organization that attacked and betrayed our country. That will go down in history. Must make someone proud to support that.
Seriously dude? That's not going to work. That was a majority party Republican legislature trying to shut down a Democratic President. What part dont you understand about this being entirely a Republican problem? Pub president, senate, congress. The Dems cant shut down the government.
