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Did we fully utilize our elite speed at wide receiver?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by doublewhammy, Mar 5, 2025.

  1. hawaiigator

    hawaiigator GC Legend

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    Well yeah, kind of. How many times to you see defenses guarding a WR that runs a 4.3 40 with a LB? Or any wide receiver to be honest?

    MAYBE if it’s a corner blitz or something, but that has nothing to do with us creating that situation.
     
  2. gatorwalrus

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    It can happen often if schemed for. That was the entire Genesis of spread offenses. It doesn't even have to be LBs, Aaron Gates is a solid slot DB, but in coverage Jason Marshall is just up another level. Very few teams have 3-4 DBs that are top tier coverage guys, heck most struggle get 2 starters to fit that role. Don't even have to look past our D. How often has WRs got easy catches over the middle vs LBs and Safeties, 4th and 17 certainly rings a nauseating bell.
     
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  3. hawaiigator

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    The difference in other teams catching the ball over the middle on our LBs is not something their offense schemed up. That’s our defense running Zone. The point of my earlier “sarcasm” is that Offenses line up and then defense try to adjust to how the O lined up. Not the other way around. The closest thing our offense can do to that is shift/put someone in motion to see if it’s man or zone coverage. The only time you’re going to see a saefty 1 on 1 with a speedy WR is either in a Grantham defense or some sort of blitz that was schemed up by the defense.
     
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  4. doublewhammy

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    Actually, no it doesn't. They had a total of two receiving touchdowns COMBINED in the last seven games.
     
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  5. hawaiigator

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    Guess they weren’t THAT fast then. Actually I guess it’s more that TDs don’t equal speed. A better stat to use would be average yards per catch.

    How many of those last seven games did we win? The only ones we lost we had a 3rd string QB where it didn’t matter how fast our WRs were.
     
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  6. Wanne15

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    Running fast is nice but other factors are much more important to football. Most rbs are faster than Emmitt, so ...... if only tge combine were a mathematical formula for football talent. There are important measurables but the old eyeball test tells a different story many times. Imagine having a track meet to determine the superbowl champion. I guess Bruce Jenner would be the goat.
     
  7. Wanne15

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    Does history show us that the fastest 40 times leads the nfl in tds most years?
     
  8. DieAGator

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    If DJ stays healthy this season, we will find out, I believe, if Napier's "scheme" makes passing TDs. But if we run it in for a ton of TDs, that's okay as well.
     
  9. Wanne15

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    If DJ is as good as we think he can be, he will have td passes no matter what the scheme is.
     
  10. Skink

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    And Caitlin could win the womens’ events. Would that be awesome or what?
     
  11. doublewhammy

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    Not really the point of the statistic or the original premise and they aren't mutually exclusive.
     
  12. doublewhammy

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    Again, total TD's is not the point, it's more TD's from the position. There is an inverse correlation between the fastest 40 times and NFL production as people drafted just for speed are often busts. There is a sweet spot for receivers between 4.34 and 4.43 that highly correlates with production. The leading wide receiver in the NFL Ja'Marr Chase runs a 4.38 and also led the league in touchdowns (17), Terry McLaurin was second(13) and ran a 4.35, Justin Jefferson (10) TD's and ran a 4.43, Brian Thomas Jr (10) TD's and runs a 4.33. All of those were in the top 8 for receiving touchdowns.
     
  13. hawaiigator

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    Well saying we didn’t utilize speed because we only had 2 TDs in the last 7 games isn’t really a great point either yet here you are
     
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  14. hawaiigator

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    Anquon Boldin and Jerry Rice ran 4.7s.cherry pick all you want to make your claim seem valid. There’s more to the game than just speed. Go look at all the other sub 4.5 WRs in the NFL and show me that they are matched up with the same ones you posted.
     
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  15. hawaiigator

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    Well I just went and did the research on top 10 WRs via TDs and what their 40 time was

    1. Ja’Mar Chase - 4.38
    2. Terry McLaurin - 4.35
    3. Amon-Ra St. Brown - 4.51
    4. Mark Andrews - 4.59
    5. Mike Evans - 4.53
    6. Tee Huggins - 4.59
    7. Justin Jefferson - 4.43
    8. Brian Thomas Jr. - 4.33
    9. Jordan Addison - 4.49
    10. Rashad Bateman - 4.39

    by your standards that’s only 4 of the top 10 in your sweet spot.

    I also came across an article from 2015 specifically written about how the mass majority of players that ran sub 4.4 40s did not pan out. I know it was in 2015…..but they aren’t going to rewrite the article every year.
     
  16. doublewhammy

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    Mark Andrews is a tight end. 1,2,7,8,10 all fit the parameters. Five out of nine. Gee you guys are good with math.
     
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  17. Spurffel

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    People don't remember that Percy ALWAYS got an extra yard or two after contact.. we remember the big plays, but he powered us to plenty of important first downs during his time with the Gators. That said, anyone that actually thinks Dike is 'faster' than Percy didn't watch their careers at UF. Not sure if it's true if Percy was stoned or careless about his combine, but his acceleration was something special.
     
  18. n210sgator

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    Maybe the reason was just that – acceleration versus top end speed?
    Add to that his physical strength to get extra yards…
     
  19. hawaiigator

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    So a TE produced more TDs than a faster Jefferson?!?!? Oh my how can this be?!? Jefferson is faster which means he should have more TDs!!!
     
  20. gatorwalrus

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    Cover 3 zone is one of the most commonly run defenses in college football. Cover 6 is a cover 3 with different backend spacing for the most part. 4 WR verts destroys cover 3, especially with speed and a deep ball thrower, which we have both IMO.