Zelenski agrees to minerals deal (fell through)

a temporary cease fire and a bunch of plutonium tea served at the favorite restaurants in Kyiv?

 

C-U-L-T. whatever he says, they believe, no matter how preposterous

 

Ukraine could probably get a temporary cease fire agreement with Russia anytime they want, but it would mean giving up their terrority and allowing Russia to really dig in ... and it would last until the next time Putin decides to attack... nothing in it for them to give up their mining interests.

 

other than US support, which the EU may have to replace if dt really wants to go scorched earth. I just don't know if the EU has the logistics machine in place even if they can fund it with russian money.

 

The Breitbart article in the OP stated that:

"The initial document — a 'framework agreement' is relatively light on detail but sets the stage for future negotiations on the finer points, including the size of America’s stake in the fund and how joint ownership will work."

Was Breitbart implying that it has a copy of this framework agreement or just reporting on what they've been told? I am assuming if there are drafts, they haven't been made public?

 

Although I don't want to sound like a pessimist if Trump performs according to form Taiwan is SOL. As far as South Korea is concerned it may very well be on the way to developing its own nuclear weapons since it's becoming obvious that under Trump the US can no longer be considered a reliable ally. The same may also apply to Japan. It's also not beyond the realm of probability that in Europe Poland, Sweden and Germany could end up doing the same.

 

EU provides security guarantees, give US contracts for out of country logistics supplies in the event that guaratnees are needed.

Ukraine get security
EU takes blood risk
Risk is mitigated by logistics backstop that is paid for by EU with a cap. Got to have deal for DT to think he won. Weapons at 20% dt tariff upcharge to throw the dog a bone??
EU holds that amount (cost of 2 year war??) out of Russian holdings to be returned with interest in increments beginning at year 10 with full reimbursement at year 20

Russia would never agree to it though. They will never agree to anything that stops them from invading Ukraine again. The sooner that is realized, the better for Ukraine

 

do you mean this pinky promise ? The one signed by Bill Clinton ?

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

Bill Clinton: My nuke deal to blame for Russia's invasion of Ukraine

 

I do find it a bit rich when someone describes a cult as someone who parrot and agrees with trump. Yet when presented with data such as Biden told everyone the border is secure. He’s doing all he can do and his hands are tied while women and kids are trafficked….for 4 years… day and night. Then within mere 3 weeks of Biden leaving office all Of that is reversed…….. you have coyotes themselves saying business is down 90%, CBS stating because of Trump crackdown the border crossings are down to multi decade lows and cartels themselves admitting they are afraid of where to sleep. But someone who voted for Trump is a cultists?? Yeah. That’s a little rich .

trump gets 90 Days to see what he can do vs 3 year war with prior Admin


NBC’s Gutierrez: Coyote Told Me Trump’s Policies Caused His Business to Decline About 80% Since Inauguration - NewsBreak

Amid Trump crackdown, illegal border crossings plunge to levels not seen in decades

Mexican cartel members claim fear of Trump. Don't believe it | Opinion

 

yes. and now dt is proposing another pinky promise just like that one. that was a toothless deal that left ukraine exposed. should they agree to another stupid deal to be exposed again?

at least clinton can admit he was wrong

the next time dear leader admits he was wrong will be the first time. what does that tell you about someone that can never ever admit they are wrong about anything?

 

Here's a story from the New York Post (not times) which details what may have led, or at least supported, Zelensky's decision to walk back on the "deal" which the Trump Administration felt had been reached through weeks of negotiations.

At first, I was upset that both Pres. Trump and V.P. Vance treated a guest inappropriately. But now as I've listened to more than just snippets of the media coverage of the entire 45 minute meeting that went to Hell and as I begin to see what opposition the Democrats were brewing even before Zelensky arrived at the White House, I am coming to the conclusion that Senator Murphy and many of his Democratic colleagues aren't acting in the best interests of the U.S., the very thing they've accused Pres. Trump of.

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine
off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal
by Michael Goodwin -- NEW YORK POST 3/1/2025

A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.

Actually, the Ukrainian President did read a room — but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal

 

Zelensky says Trump better get serious or else he might not find time to come back to the US.

 

You can tell when poster knows he's lost the Zelenski/Ukraine debate..... he switched to the "whatabout the Biden border".

 

Said it another post, Trump deserves credit for the drop in illegal crossings at the Southern border and as I also said that will in no way offset the damage that he is doing to the economy or to national security.

 

Crazy MAGA-type election deniers actually believe Russia would give up (or be driven out of) its new territories.

 

If Trump was president in 1941 he would have urged Churchill to enter into a peace agreement with Hitler and probably would have pointed out that the massive damage to London and other sites in the UK from the bombing by the Luftwaffe and resulting British deaths could have been avoided if Churchill had agreed to a peace treaty in 1940.
Hitler offers Britain 'peace or destruction' - (1940) UPI Archives

 

Apparently, Bill Clinton was overly optimistic that Russia would comply with international norms. Clinton, G.W. Bush and Obama were all naive. Trump on the other hand has been bought and paid for by Vladimir.

By the way Trump keep mentioning that under his first administration we provided Ukraine with Javelin missiles. You thank the vote in Congress with over 90 Senators and over 400 members of the Republican majority House of Representatives voting for the aid may have been a factor. Keep in mind that in July 2016 the Trump campaign killed a plank in the Republican platform calling for lethal aid to Ukraine.
From 2016
In a shift, Republican platform doesn't call for arming Ukraine against Russia, spurring outrage

 

OP misread quotation rules of 4 paragraphs. He thought it said limit quotes to 40 paragraphs. Honest mistake. Much like the OP itself.

 

Please edit your quote from the story to just four paragraphs

and, actually, this should be part of the main meeting thread.

 

It was a sweet 40 paragraphs though.

I bet OP could do wonders with justifying Trump trying to overturn a presidential election.