Zelenski agrees to minerals deal (fell through)

not sure how many caught this....but, Trump said " one more question " and then pointed to Vance...pure set up/ambush.....mafia style.....so unprofessional

 

there are laws about what military firms can sell to which country....Trump can change that in a heartbeat

 

right now according to several polls 75%-81% of Americans want to stop Putin now

 

Is it your position that the US should continue pumping US$ (incurring additional debt) into a war the Ukraine is seemingly unable to win and continues to kill thousands of military and civilians …. so US corporations can generate additional revenues?

I’m going to guess these corporations operate in a 10-15% pretax . which would result in approximately $.125 in taxable income on every $ of revenue. Using the highest incremental tax rate of 37% ….. the result is the US Treasury will collect $.046 for every US$ spent on munitions for Ukraine with US corporations.

I’m not sure that’s a wise use of US taxpayer money …. especially considering the best “return” is the war in Ukraine remains a stalemate.

 

Russian State Media Detailed The Day BEFORE The SET UP Trump and Putin Planned on Zelenskyy

 

my thought is that we don't stop Putin now we will be fighting him later, sure negotiate something fair to both parties....but with assurances that if Russia starts aggression again Ukraine can enter NATO....remember Putin is a killer of innocents, kidnapped 20,000 Ukrainian children and murdered 100's of civilians in Bucha....he is a bad dude....full disclosure I have Ukrainian blood in my veins ( my grandmother who I knew escaped Ukraine when she was 12 )

 

It's fun to see you Trump supporters pretend to care about fiscal conservatism ..... when it's a convenient excuse to do Putin's bidding.

We all know you won't give a damn about fiscal austerity in a few months when Trump proposes multi-trillion dollar tax cuts in a few months, most of which will go to him, Elon and their super-rich buddies.

Why pretend now?

 

I understand that Putin is a bad dude but at what price do Americans continue to fund a war that appears to have no end? This has been done several times over the past 80 years and we should have learned by now these engagements are burdens Americans really shouldn’t bare. Let the EU fund the war ….

 

Wannabe Rooskie says what?

 

are you ok with Putin advancing on Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, etc? I'm not...where does it end? stop Putin now ( except Trump has no interest ) they have the goods on him

 

Okay, I’ll play along …. what needs to be done to “stop Putin” ….. and how much will it cost the US taxpayer?

Why not agree to a cease fire and have the UN actually do something…. say, oversee a referendum in the area of Ukraine under Russian control to determine what the majority of those people want to do. The EU and the UN need to actually do something beyond spewing forth meaningless rhetoric when it comes to Ukraine.

 

the UN is worthless...and the EU has spent more than the US in Ukraine....still think negotiate ceasefire, divide into West and East Ukraine...install EU peacekeepers in DMZ...and threaten inclusion of Ukraine in NATO if Putin continues aggression and US needs to be on board with this....unfortunately this may not happen under Trump who admires Putin and would gladly give up Europe for Greenland, Panama, etc......nice discussion....thanks...and ps....let those people in those areas choose where they want to live, if thats possible...

 

You actually believe that. Okay

 

my son works for a Naval Architecture firm who designs patrol/Navy Seal boats....Norway just recently received permission to have one built for them...do you think Russia, China, N. Korea would get similar approval?...yes I know this to be true

 

Your vision is clouded. The war will end in less than 18 months when Russia's economy collapses, according to experts. Russia has a very limited timetable to win this war, and the more desperate they are for progress, the more of their troops get killed in meat-wave attacks, which is about all they know how to do at this point. Their navy is done, their special forces are done, they are running out of tanks and missiles, they ran out of North Koreans, and they have to be running low on artillery barrels at this point. They still have not attained air superiority, and Ukrainian drones have driven the airfields that Russia can use back several hundred miles. Ukraine has done an excellent job of targeting refineries and fuel depots as well as weapons caches, so Russia has some logistical issues that are slowing them down. Also, Ukraine is coming up on seven months of taking land in Kursk, and Russia cannot get them out. And the Russians are in a slow retreat in eastern Ukraine at the moment.

So far, Ukraine is doing all of the winning they need to do. It's not a Hollywood movie ending, but they are getting the job done. They are holding all of the cards except one: support from the U.S.

The EU is funding the war. The EU is investing more money supporting Ukraine than the U.S. is.

We are not engaged in a war with Russia any more than we were when Russia invaded Afghanistan in the 1980's. We are (or were) supporting a country fighting for its freedom, without committing any active troops. We have spent a small fraction of one year's budget for national defense over the last three years. Since Russia is about 40% of the reason that we spend money on national defense, we would be justified in spending about $960 billion over the last three years on Ukraine ($800B/yr x 3 years x 40%). (In actuality, we would be justified in spending a lot more than that, since it is not every year that Russia invades a neighbor.) We've spent almost nothing ($183B) compared to that. Peanuts. If that leaves you clutching your pearls and your purse, remember that if we get Russia to lose this war and their economy collapses (like it did in 1990), we will save about $2.5 trillion in defense spending over the next decade (like we did in the 1990's). Why don't you want to save that much money?

 

You seem to be somewhat skeptical of his claims, just because he couldn't get two words out without telling a lie. I don't blame you.

 

I used to work in the industry. There are definitely black listed countries you can't sell to. A higher up in my division went to jail for knowingly selling to a country that turned around and sold to a blacklisted country.

 

You want the U.S. to buy European statues of the Greek god of love? The one in Picadilly Circus was erected to commemorate Lord Shaftesbury for his "philanthropic work". Are you a big fan of Lord Shaftesbury or something? Did you get the royal shaftes buried in you (metaphorically, one would presume) at a young and tender age?

https://www.visitlondon.com/things-to-do/place/752997-statue-of-eros#:~:text=Erected at the end of,refer to it as Eros.

You want the U.S. troops in Spain to go Hungry? That seems a drastic way to save money, don't you think? Shouldn't we feed them at least once a day?

Why would they want us there? We seem like a silly country, buying up Greek statues and starving people.

 

Alexander Vindman said pretty much the same thing the other day on TV...he is an expert on Ukraine/Russia ......

 

So surrender. Gotcha.