Flashback: Biden lost temper with Zelenskyy

Behind closed doors vs a staged press conference ambush.

 

A BIG difference.


“a phone call between the two leaders”

 

OP why are you acting like Trump and Vance didn't set him up? We all know it was a staged attempt to make him look bad

 

Cutting through the OP’s “own the libs” crap, Zelenskyy may have a pattern for moving the goal posts. That is a fatal flaw Zelenskyy has to own or figure out how to get to the right answer for his people.

It was ugly what happened. But I can’t blame Trump and Vance for calling it out. Zelenskyy isn’t a white dove in all this. He needs to save his country and people.

 

Spasibo, America: 33 times when Zelenskyy publicly thanked Americans and U.S. leaders since 2022 - The Economic Times



Ukraine: All the times President Volodymyr Zelenskyy thanked the US and the President

 

There is a difference between a phone call that was expected to be private and the public humiliation of the president of a country that had once been an ally with the United States.

 

Apparently context doesn't matter to MAGA.

What is actually happening is Trump is trying to sandwich Zelensky between himself and Putin to force Zelensky out in Ukraine so they can divide and plunder.

Getting sooooo rich! Apparently he can't afford a suit, but the OP thinks he's "getting rich".

If only dead children, raped women, destroyed homes and tired soldiers made one rich!

Why don't you make a trip to the front lines and tell us what awaits Ukraine the day they lay down their arms without a security guarantee.

You know, like the one we all agreed on in the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 when Ukraine gave up its nukes and then conveniently forgot in 2014 when Russia decided to invade.

 

100%. American people and the world knowing the inside baseball erodes confidence in the system. That is the MAGA goal — break societal norms in place of a transactional epilogue of America.

 

Agree. Zelensky/team probably expected to be called out and required to discuss an end game -and they should! The issue is it was done so live, in front of the world. Including insults & laughing at a leader of a state. Peppering him with petty questions for the cameras. That’s what broke this. Safe to say what I think of Trump but I would be po’ed if he ran into that in another country.

 

Let me guess - Putin is the guy for this?

 

Remedial required reading: 1994 Budapest Memorandum

 

A guess -Maybe an agreed to peace/compromise that ends fighting. Creating a buffer zone, enforced by the EU (which I believe they’ve agreed to). US provides continued anti air missiles - no one else can like us. Ukraine signs a mining deal.

Hopefully it’s not interpreted as US sends soilders.

 

Those don't count!

MAGA wasn't paying attention because the price of eggs was sooooooo high!

 

A reasonable deal although I do not think that Trump or more specifically his Russian boss Vlad would acquiesce to the provision under which the US provides air defense missiles. Trump hasn't simply changed the status of the US from an active supporter of Ukraine to a neutral arbiter, he has done a complete 180 and the US under his leadership is now siding with Russia.

 

Trump wants him to surrender.

 

Ukraine is apparently going to create a 15km wide Kill Zone for drones. As they produce more, it will increase to 40km.

Defense News: Ukraine plans 15-km unmanned "kill zone" along Russian front as drone production hits 4,000+ daily - Euromaidan Press