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Proposal to cut 50% of social security employees

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, Feb 26, 2025.

  1. dynogator

    dynogator VIP Member

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    I didn't like the movie, and I've never liked clowns. Or grown men who dementedly celebrate the unemployment of so many people. He seems to be an attention/applause junkie, like his good buddy.
     
  2. demosthenes

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    If he knows then why has every cut been of the lowest tenured employees regardless of role or locality needs?
     
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  3. dynogator

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    And why have most of his cuts had to be walked back, due to catastrophically poor planning and execution?
     
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  4. VAg8r1

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    So Elon knows exactly what everyone of the 20,000 National Park Service employees located at hundreds if not thousands of different locations across the US does and he was able to make that determination in around a week?
     
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  5. demosthenes

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    Who’s going to rake the forests now?
     
  6. vaxcardinal

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    Because they have less legal protections so easier to get rid of them
     
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  7. vaxcardinal

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    Do you have evidence of that? How many have been cut and how many have been asked to come back? With those 2 numbers it should be easy to to determine if your statement is accurate or a lie.
     
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  8. l_boy

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    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/s...-reorganization-significant-job-cuts-2c1d654b



    The Social Security Administration announced a “massive” reorganization and “significant” job cuts on Thursday that critics said could increase customer-service wait times and make it more difficult to detect fraud.

    The SSA employs around almost 60,000 employees. Media reports said the cuts range from 7,000 workers to as many as 30,000 workers — or half of the agency.

    The reductions are part of a wave of cuts to the federal government by the new Trump administration and the so-called Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, purportedly to eliminate waste.
     
  9. vaxcardinal

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    Between 7000-30,000 is a pretty wide range.
     
  10. demosthenes

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    So he makes cuts regardless of the need in a particular area. Thanks for confirming my point.
     
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  12. l_boy

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    Best case scenario is over a 10% cut in a program that already has long lines and phone waits and SSI application processing that takes over a year.
     
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  13. g8trjax

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    Well if Rick Scott is the face of the gop, then it's only fair that Ilhan Omar is the dems.
     
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  14. dynogator

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    You know perfectly well that reversals have been after precipitous actions.

    --Rescinded order freezing federal grants
    --Reversed plan to shutdown free COVID test program
    --Multiple agencies reinstated some workers after firing them
    --Accidently cancelled Ebola prevention program at USAID
    --Rehired 9/11 health program workers
    --widespread confusion regarding "what did you do last week," email
    --"Musk is in charge," vs. "Musk has no authority over DOGE, and was not an employee of the program."

    I'm not a liar. I've been mistaken before, but I never intentionally lie, so BTF off.
     
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  15. citygator

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  16. VAg8r1

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    While conceding that it is easier to terminate probationary employees it looks like Elon and the boys have gone over the top. Apparently all of the terminated probationary employees have received emails with identical boilerplate language notifying them that they are being terminated based on inadequate performance even though a large number of them had previously received excellent performance appraisals.
     
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  17. vaxcardinal

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    reversals put clearly not to the extent you stated. Would you call that an intentional lie or being overdramatic or what?
     
  18. citygator

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    Eileen and James have worked in the park for about 10 years, and both recently got promoted. She's in logistics. He's a biological science technician. Their promotions put them into probationary status. Still, legal experts say that doesn't mean that the Trump administration can just summarily fire them. Even probationary workers have protections. But an agency is allowed to fire a probationary worker for bad performance or conduct. So it appears that the administration is citing bad performance when it sends workers termination letters, even though workers like James and Eileen Kramer say that's a lie.

    Judge rules mass firing of probationary employees is illegal and should be stopped : NPR
     
  19. l_boy

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    The result of all of this will be

    - some people will take a package for 9 months
    - some people will get improperly fired and will be owed backpay
    - some people will actually be needed and will get hired back, probably with backpay.

    It is highly likely that all of these things won’t save a nickel, probably will actually be a net cost. Not dissimilar to government shut down when everybody eventually gets paid retroactively for doing nothing during the shutdown.
     
  20. gtr2x

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    Yep and even if it saves the proverbial nickel it will have virtually no impact on the level of federal debt/deficit. Seems like a lot of theatre for the cult.