Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Covid Excess Deaths give $200B Windfall to SS

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Feb 23, 2025 at 9:40 AM.

  1. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

    2,740
    526
    2,088
    Apr 3, 2007
    Parts Unknown
    It says 43 percent higher deaths in republicans than democrats. So what age group was that?
     
  2. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

    2,740
    526
    2,088
    Apr 3, 2007
    Parts Unknown
    And after losing all those unvaxed voters, Trump still won the popular vote. That’s quite the accomplishment for him.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  3. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    17,054
    2,178
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    As pointed out multiple times already, the 43% is controlling for age. So they are saying that a Republican that is 80 years old is 43% more likely to die of Covid than a Democrat who is 80 years old while a 20 year old Republican is 43% more likely to die of Covid than a Democrat who is 20 years old in the same week and the same location.
     
  4. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

    2,740
    526
    2,088
    Apr 3, 2007
    Parts Unknown
    That’s some amazing similarities regardless of age. I need to register democrat stat
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  5. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    17,054
    2,178
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    Or take a basic stats class.
     
  6. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

    2,740
    526
    2,088
    Apr 3, 2007
    Parts Unknown
    lol. Maybe look at the graphs on that link before you guys talk about math skills. That’s all I was hoping one of all u super smart people would do. Hint. It’s nowhere near 43 percent
     
  7. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    17,054
    2,178
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    You realize that when they talk about percentage, they are talking about it with a base of the other rate, right? So for every Democrat that died post-vaccine, 1.43 Republicans died. And yes, the math shows exactly that.
     
  8. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

    2,740
    526
    2,088
    Apr 3, 2007
    Parts Unknown
    [
    look at the ages. Some are negative
     
  9. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    17,054
    2,178
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    And some are substantially higher (basically double the baseline difference). It appears that there is an interaction and a significant main effect.
     
  10. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

    2,740
    526
    2,088
    Apr 3, 2007
    Parts Unknown
    It also appears that in order to get to 43 percent excess it must be made up of a really large segment of 75 and over and in Ohio.
    So maybe I don’t need to register democrat after all. Or at least until I turn 75, and definitely stay in Florida
     
  11. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    17,054
    2,178
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    No, that is just age group for the majority of the mortality for COVID.
     
  12. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

    2,740
    526
    2,088
    Apr 3, 2007
    Parts Unknown
    Which also happens to be heavy republican. Which is all I was saying before. There is no way to come up with 43 percent more republicans excess died than democrats by age group. It has to be a total number. By age group it’s literally negative 3-4 percent republican to like 1 percent republican under that age of 65. Which is majority democratic voter, but also the majority of that age group isn’t as susceptible, so not as heavy toward the death count. So the jump from there is 65 and over. Which, again, makes sense because it’s a heavy lean republican. Also where most of your deaths are going to occur.
     
  13. mdgator05

    mdgator05 Premium Member

    17,054
    2,178
    1,718
    Dec 9, 2010
    They controlled for age. It is a basic statistical control. As the graph shows, the age groups see increasing differences within the age groups.

    Again, they controlled for age in the main analysis. Mixture doesn't explain why you see that big gap in the elderly by party. It is likely due to behavior (e.g., not getting vaccines or engaging in riskier behavior in terms of Covid contraction), which differs by party in that age group.
     
  14. snatchmagnet

    snatchmagnet Bring On The Bacon Premium Member

    2,740
    526
    2,088
    Apr 3, 2007
    Parts Unknown
    I realize they controlled for age. They show the groups. But those age groups don’t come near that number. 25-74 the literally around 1/2 percent at best.
    However, Ohio is bigger than any number while Florida is right at 50/50. So its definitely skewed heavy Ohio and heavy old
     
  15. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    12,119
    1,189
    698
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    Interesting, I never in 27 years as a practicing PA have needed to ask about party affiliation when taking care of my patients.
    Curious on how they determined the decedents party affiliation, no less vaccination status.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  16. gatorpa

    gatorpa GC Hall of Fame

    12,119
    1,189
    698
    Sep 5, 2010
    East Coast of FL
    The very old had the highest mortality rates regardless of underlying health conditions.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  17. dangolegators

    dangolegators GC Hall of Fame

    Apr 26, 2007
    That's the kind of stuff you could find out if you actually read the study.
     
  18. demosthenes

    demosthenes Premium Member

    9,356
    1,152
    3,218
    Apr 3, 2007
    It explains it in the linked article, at the beginning no less.

    vaccination status:
    Because individual-level vaccination status was not included in the available data, we were able to assess excess death rates and vaccination rates only at the county level.
    Mortality and voter registration data:
    We linked the mortality data at the individual level to 2017 Florida and Ohio voter registration files; these were the only states for which historical publicly available voter registration data were readily available.
    Also the reason for this particular study:
    Prior studies7,8 have found that Republican-leaning counties have had higher COVID-19 death rates than Democratic-leaning counties. It is unknown whether this county-level association persists at the individual level and whether it may be subject to the ecologic fallacy.9The ecologic fallacy is the incorrect assumption that associations observed at an aggregated level (eg, a county) will be the same at the individual level. Republican-leaning and Democratic-leaning counties differ in ways other than political party affiliation,10,11 such as racial and ethnic composition, rurality, and educational levels, making it difficult to establish whether the differences in COVID-19 death rates are associated with political party affiliation or other differences in county-level characteristics. Research before the COVID-19 pandemic has also found evidence of higher death rates in Republican-leaning counties than Democratic-leaning counties.12
     
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1