In my simple mind, the clearest path to expelling maga from every office is for enough democrats to join and vote in the republican primaries to remove them from the republican tickets. If the goal is to send extremism back into the shadows and allow the adults to be in charge again, is there a better path? States are not going to change from pub to dem so to effect change we must change the pub candidate in those states. That occurs at the primary level, see NC, trump threat to primary the guy that gave him the joke of a sec def. no link, no article, just a topic for consideration
That is probably the sanest option, as most of the so-called "liberals" here are essentially conservatives who want a conservative center-right party with a technocratic bent. If people are seriously motived to do something like that, getting in at the local/state level would probably be more effective. Most of the people who complain about polarization and stuff are the least likely to be involved in the local party apparatus, GOTV, phone bank, organize, etc. Especially in smaller areas, they could easily be taken over by a number of dedicated individuals. But it involves effort and work. I mean, that's how they got how they are in the first place, where some crazed chud can be the guy certifying the votes/electors etc. Say what you will, but they showed up and did the work. Anyways, my two cents is that you cant simply vote your way out of it, people do have to be involved in the party and actually do politics. I'm afraid there is no "one neat trick" or cheat code.
The 'far left' was defeated in this country when my grandfather was a young man. Right around the time of the Hitler/Stalin pact, CPUSA never recovered. Not that it was some kind of force or anything. I don't get why people have in their heads that DSA is shaping the Democratic party instead of their consultants who have been repeating everything you are saying here since before I was born. Shit right now the Democratic consultants are mad at like Moveon and Indivisible, which are about as normie lib as you can get. The people who actually do things. No party seems to hate its base more than the Democrats, they are forever casting their eyes on imaginary "centrist" voters. They've been showing those made up people how reasonable they are for 40 years, maybe it will work someday! Whatever the case its simply not sustainable for you to say MAGA is fascist and then continually adopt their policies in the name of "centrism." Like try being an opposition party, you dont even have to propose policies other than "no" and creating conflict. It worked for Republicans.
LOL Yeah honesty is not the best policy. Typical democrat behavior do anything you can to gain power.
You should probably do that anyways given your ideology. What are you holding on to? Just dont like paperwork?
In my lifetime I have never seen a Democratic party that had a will to power, and especially a will to use it in a transformative way. But I forget some people are old and remember like the early 1960s and shit.
you don't have to be involved, just band together to vote out the extremist candidates on the pub ticket
The party apparatus has a lot of power. You don't think they can muck up or stymie insurgent candidates? Insurgencies generally work best when people are pissed at the party, not when its most fervent partisans think its doing a good job. Coordinating some kind of mass voting thing would be hard, taking over your county's party? Probably a lot easier if you have enough determined people and its not being run well or its complacent. But again, that involves actual work, not magical thinking that you can just show up once every other year and vote problems away.
While the concept of swaying closed R primaries to non-Trumpists seems solid on its face, it still leaves a general election to follow. The Democrats can't find a reasonable candidate as constituted. I'm not sure a Democratic party hallowed out would do better. Plus we'd have to see Trump's base become somewhat disillusioned to even have a chance at this grand plan. Love the thinking though.
That is the biggest problem with the current Democratic party. Most of their candidates are so far left, they have fallen off of the cliff. The undecided/unaffliated/moderate voters, which represents 5-10% of the electorate, are who decides the election. The Democrates have to figure out how to come towards the middle again if they want to have any succcess.
it won’t be enough. In states with crossover primaries which is essentially what you are calling for, Nikki Haley grabbed around 20%, much of that from crossover vote. The result is MAGA still runs the Republican Party, and the moderates leave the democrats and continue to put up unelectable candidates.
The dems have put forward awful candidates, that I agree. But none of them have been far left. Clinton, Biden, and Harris are all very moderate dems when compared to the left wing of the party. They were awful candidates because they were uncharasmatic, generally unlikable, and aloof (clinton), a corpse (biden), or unable to put forward any type of vision besides "not trump / trump bad" (harris).
would any dem candidate win senate seat in the state of Oklahoma? Texas? Florida? which states controlled by the pubs are really toss ups with better candidates? Alaska 1 Indiana?? Kentucky? Maine? NC? Ohio? Pennsylvania (1) Wisconsin (1) which states are honestly in play regardless of quality of dem candidate. I would guess that Alaska, NC, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin are only places a dem might win. That's 5. not sure they can rely on a strategy that requires them to win that many of the purple options and defend all of their existing seats. hopefully I'm wrong. this feckless batch of pub senators is fiddling while rome burns out of their own self interests hoping the fire isn't going to scorch them too
