Why does anybody believe anything the man says? Musk is following dear leader and just throwing stuff against the wall with no basis in reality and yet people treat it like it is proven fact because he said it..baffling they found people in the database with very old birthdates. they did not find people with very old birthdates that were receiving benefits. you also have data entry for hundreds of millions so errors do occur but they have a backstop for anyone over 115 automatically stops. been in place since 2015. muskettes didn't mention any of that yet MAGA slurps it up like its nectar from the gods they took number of very old people (that they knew were not receiving benefits) multiplied it by average benefit (even though they knew they were not receiving benefits) and reported it as total benefits being paid to very old people. that is as straightforward intentionally lying as Fox news was about the election. they know what they are telling you is incorrect and they are presenting it to you as fact trusting that you will believe whatever outrageous thing they say (like Ukraine started the war or dt won the 2020 election) and MAGA is slurping it down and people still believe them...baffling at what point will MAGA start questioning the source? Tens of millions of dead people aren't getting Social Security checks, despite Trump and Musk claims On Tuesday, Trump said at a press briefing in Florida that “we have millions and millions of people over 100 years old” receiving Social Security benefits. “They’re obviously fraudulent or incompetent,” Trump said. “If you take all of those millions of people off Social Security, all of a sudden we have a very powerful Social Security with people that are 80 and 70 and 90, but not 200 years old,” he said. He also said that there’s one person in the system listed as 360 years old. ............................................ Part of the confusion comes from Social Security’s software system based on the COBOL programming language, which has a lack of date type. This means that some entries with missing or incomplete birthdates will default to a reference point of more than 150 years ago. The news organization WIRED first reported on the use of COBOL programming language at the Social Security Administration. Additionally, a series of reports from the Social Security Administration’s inspector general in March 2023 and July 2024 state that the agency has not established a new system to properly annotate death information in its database, which included roughly 18.9 million Social Security numbers of people born in 1920 or earlier but were not marked as deceased. This does not mean, however, that these individuals were receiving benefits. The agency decided not to update the database because of the cost to do so, which would run upward of $9 million. A July 2023 Social Security OIG report states that "almost none of the number holders discussed in the report currently receive SSA payments.” And, as of September 2015, the agency automatically stops payments to people who are older than 115 years old.
Shocker. No one saw that coming… To the last point, if the database upgrade only costs $9 million they should do it. My company is undergoing an ERP implementation rights now that is costing us $25 million before counting the SaaS fees. $9 million for a system critical to a country’s safety net seems like peanuts.
So how much is your company expected to lose spending that $25M? Not spending $9M is an easy decision to make if you don’t have $9M. What they have to do is put in a request for the extra $9M and wait for congress to decide to fund it.
The most angering thing about his whole debacle is these tools are exposing the failure of anti-government ideology in regard to investing in updates and modernization (put off because of government spending = bad), then they are calling it fraud and waste. The government is running like embargo Cuba, where you have to keep that 58 Chevy running because you cant get any new parts.
their brilliance is shining through.. this is who we have to bypass all national security protocols for because they have to save us right away from imminent doom... again MAGA, how can you believe anything they tell you? are you just that gullible, committed to dear leader, or too proud to admit you have been hustled? DOGE caught in a controversy, $38.4B of its saved money is missing The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), a federal cost-cutting effort backed by President Donald Trump and founded by billionaire Elon Musk, reportedly has some discrepancies in its reported savings. According to its website, DOGE claims to have saved $55 billion in federal spending, but only $16.6 billion of that amount is accounted for, leaving $38.4 billion in question. Further complicating the matter is an error in the data DOGE published, which misrepresented an $8 million contract as $8 billion. The correction reduces the initiative’s detailed savings to just $8.6 billion, far from the reported total. .................... The most expensive contract it claims to have canceled was an $8 billion agreement with D&G Support Services, LLC, a firm that was set to provide services for the Office of Diversity and Civil Rights within US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). D&G Support Services, headquartered in a Washington, D.C. suburb, describes itself as a “people-focused” organization with fewer than 200 employees. Its largest government contracts include $16 million from the Air Force for staffing support and approximately $11 million from the US Coast Guard. Since 2017, its average contract value has been around $1 million.
everything that has ever went to trial has stuck, and he has lost. trials where facts and laws matter, decided by juries, not politicians. it's why he fights so hard to avoid actual trials in courts without a bought judge (Cannon)
115 year hard stop. in place since 2015. solid as concrete. totally intentionally ignored. the musketttes are like a band of chicken littles and MAGA is already convinced the sky is falling before the muskettes started chirping nonsense devoid of any substance
He’s officially a convicted felon and will be forever, so yes, that stuck. He’s accused of not keeping promises - e.g. he’ll have a health care plan, so those accusations stick.
I think they're gearing up for cuts to SS and they're going to try to blame it on all of the 'fraud' they've exposed. But the only way to meaningfully cut SS spending is to reduce benefits. People will know it was all a scam when their monthly SS check goes down.
I’m sure there are inefficiencies in gov - as in any gov everywhere. But be suspect of “DOGE”/Musk claims. “But DOGE’s accounting raises questions about the reliability of their self-reporting and their level of accountability. But DOGE’s accounting raises questions about the reliability of their self-reporting and their level of accountability.” DOGE says it’s saved $55 billion, itemized data show far less
Trump thinks we have "millions and millions of people," over 100? As usual, he's jettisoned logic and reason for bombast and buffoonery. And a very poor grasp of statistics.
there are millions and millions of people with birthdates more than 100 years ago still on the SS database that is totally independent of how many of them are receiving benefits
Then how is he a felon? Jean Carroll thinks you are 100% wrong. The state of NY has him on their hook for owing them over $500,000,000.00 as of now..... he lost his charitable entity (another grift), was was sued to close Trump U... another grift. BUT sure nothing stuck. The selective intellectual amnesia of the cult is pathetic.
Jump up and down, fingers in ears, yelling " none of it stuck", rinse and repeat. They'll adore him no matter what.
Infrastructure/capital improvements are never fun but necessary. Spending that $25M is literally $25M less profit for us. But ending up with archaic systems with a ton of patching and work arounds that result in extra costs and cause errors, or to be in a technical debt kicking the can down the road isn’t ideal (we did that for a decade).
Our country is an Idiocracy right now. We're led by a lying team of idiots, whose only goal is personal enrichment and grift. They're supported by the votes of a brainwashed cult, which couples with the votes of independents to slightly exceed 50% of the electorate. These people have absolutely zero concern for any form of morality, lawfulness, integrity, or anything else in the world that is not beneficial to their cult leader. None of this is new to anyone, at this point.
But wait, isn't the argument that this is resulting in fraud? If a company could invest $9 million to save more money, why wouldn't they do this? Or, alternatively, is this an admission that it is highly unlikely that we are seeing even an NPV of $9 million in fraud arising from this, despite the initial claims?
