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A team from SpaceX is being brought in to overhaul FAA’s air traffic control system

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8tas, Feb 17, 2025 at 6:42 PM.

  1. vaxcardinal

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    How much did that save and how does that number compare to the desired savings this time around?
     
  2. Tjgators

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    CBPP.org and the Verge writers care more about their pronouns than a factual story.
     
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  3. VAg8r1

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    The following excerpt from the report from the National Partnership for Reinventing Government may be helpful:
    • The size of the federal civilian workforce has been cut by 351,000 -- the smallest since Kennedy held office and, as a percentage of the national workforce, the smallest since 1931. We recommended action on about 1,500 issues in 1993 and 1995. Agencies completed about 58 percent. Of the original recommendations, they report 66 percent completed. For those requiring Presidential or congressional action, President Clinton signed 46 directives and Congress passed and the President signed over 85 laws.
    • Hammer Awards; over 350 Reinvention Labs have been created to pilot innovations.
    • We had recommended about $177 billion in savings over a 5-year period. Agencies locked into place about $137 billion. In addition, as of March 1998, the Hammer Award winners estimate savings or cost avoidances of about $31 billion because of their actions.
    • Agencies eliminated about 640,000 pages of internal rules, about 16,000 pages of Federal Regulations, and are rewriting 31,000 additional pages into plain language.
    • Agencies are sponsoring 850 labor-management partnerships. A 1998 survey of employees show those in organizations that actively promote reinvention are twice as satisfied with their jobs.
    • Over 570 federal organizations have committed to more than 4,000 customer service standards.
    • Most importantly, public trust in the federal government is finally increasing after a 30-year decline. Various polls have shown a clear and steady increase over the past four years. While it is not clear this is directly linked to the results of reinvention, we believe reinvention has made an important contribution.
    Brief History of the National Partnership for Reinventing Government
    Keeping in mind that all of the above of accomplished in an orderly manner without serious damage to the programs and agencies without any mass involuntary terminations of federal employees. Speaking from my limited direct knowledge (I was employed by a government agency at the time) my agency was able to achieve the reductions in personnel through a combination of offers of early retirement, a reduction in new hires and normal attrition. No one was involuntarily terminated.

    It's really impossible to seriously address Musk's DOGE proposals. He originally proposed to cut Federal spending by $2 trillion and the only possible way to accomplish that goal would be cutting Social Security and Medicare benefits as well as massive cuts in the Defense budget none of which would ever happen. So far he and the boys have used a meataxe approach without actually analyzing spending with Elon trying to justify the cuts through half-truths of outright lies or what Kellyanne Conway calls "alternative facts".
     
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  4. ajoseph

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    Let’s start with the premise that YES, let’s look under the covers to search for improvement. This is not controversial, at least IMO.

    But don’t you think the guy looking “under the covers” is not the same guy trying to wiggle his way into sleeping in those same covers? Don’t you find this to be just a smidge of a conflict of interest?
     
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  5. ajoseph

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    This is of course a paramount issue when the guy doing the investigation IS THE SAME GUY TRYING TO BE HIRED AS THE REPLACEMENT!!
     
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  6. slayerxing

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    Also - we aren't just looking - we are going through organizations with a woodchipper. How can you review and destroy at the same time? You can't. Not that a single Trump voter actually cares, and will continue not to care until it impacts them personally.
     
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  7. ajoseph

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    We’ve established that Musk has opined that there’s waste. Unfortunately, he is neither politically objective nor economically without conflict. It’s the flaw in the entire DOGE “investigation.” I am ALL FOR an audit to expose and eliminate waste. No sane person would oppose this fundamental concept. What I don’t want is to have programs and jobs terminated so that Musk can take those programs and jobs, amongst other things.
     
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  8. ajoseph

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    Yes!! We have colossal sized companies that are built to provide independent, objective advice on things such as corporate and governmental waste and efficiencies. Companies like KPMG, Deloitte, PwC — that is amongst the things they do. Those companies have built-in safeguards to ensure conflict-free independence in their work. It is what makes their work reliable and trustworthy.
     
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  9. ajoseph

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    I saw no pronouns…
     
  10. gator_jo

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    That all makes pretty good sense.

    But couldn't we just have some foreign-born, unelected, racist, white supremacist scumbag tell us his opinion on everything?
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    do you think that the gubmnt has never done efficiency and corruption reviews? seriously/ how are people so stupid?

    there are nearly $90B in cuts and fraud that IG's (the ones fired) documented to congress to fix..about 50 tiems mroe than doge has been able to document..get a clue sheeople.


    you used to be able to read the reports here..oddly enough, they have disappeared

    | Oversight.gov

    here is an archived one from the DoD. Every single department has one

    want to make a change. push these through congress..that is called government.

    what doge is doing is red meat slash and burn to hide their corruption and gathering of massive amounts of data to feed into their AI. happoy knopwing that Elon knows which political parties you doated to or what your medical bills were for?

    Semiannual Report to Congress, April 1, 2024, through September 30, 2024

    but you know this, so why am I have to tell you that IG's have been trying to root out waste and fraud and it is the congress and DOJ job to follow up on it. if there is corruption, prosecute it. fraud and waste, adjust the budgets legally.
     
  12. G8trGr8t

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    like thinking that Ig's haven't been identifying fraud and waste long before doge was ever thought of? that kind of reason? seriously

    how many reports have been written about how to fix the FAA systems?

    did you know that the programs don't materialize and happen overnight? a resonable person would seem to be able to grasp that concept

    Air Traffic Control: FAA Actions Are Urgently Needed to Modernize Aging Systems | U.S. GAO

    Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen) | Federal Aviation Administration
     
  13. gator_jo

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    It's almost like parody.

    "Herrrr, do you not think that anything in the govt needs to be audited? Well then what's your problem with giving Elon Musk total and complete access to all confidential systems, private data, and full authority to hire and fire at will? After all ....... some things in govt need to be audited!! Derrrrrrrr."

    Parody.
     
  14. G8trGr8t

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    yes. IG's have been doing them for decades. they are published, delivered to Congress to address the issues. That is how our gubmnt works. Congres controls the funding. see US Constitution
     
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    Vax - Remind me, how many years have you worked in the federal government in one capacity or another?
     
  16. dangolegators

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    If you look at Tesla's record for fatalities caused automated vehicle crashes, you see that Musk is unconcerned with the loss of life. To him it's the price of progress. A price that he himself does not have to pay. BTW, Tesla uses an inferior technology compared to other companies and that's why Tesla's fatality rate is higher than other companies'.
     
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  17. vaxcardinal

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    And yet problems still exist so we can keep doing the same thing and expect different results are do things differently to get different results
     
  18. vaxcardinal

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    40 years
     
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  19. dangolegators

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    Your hero Musk is also very into name calling, so I'm not sure why you have a problem with it. I guess it just depends on who is getting called names.
     
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  20. dangolegators

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    A lifelong bureaucrat taking glee in other bureaucrats losing their jobs.
     
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