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Trump Envoy obtains release of Mark Fogel, held in Russian prison

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Feb 11, 2025.

  1. 92gator

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    Ukraine. :cool:
     
  2. 92gator

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    LLLLLLOSING!!!

    ...and loving every minute of it!
     
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  3. Gator515151

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    Keep up the good work Mr President.
     
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  4. jjgator55

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    Yes Trump is losing.
     
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  5. tampajack1

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    You were right about Trump valuing American lives. Namely, himself and, possibly, a few of the members of his family.
     
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  6. jjgator55

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    He’s not my President and I don’t have to hope for his failure. He’s doing that as we speak.
     
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  7. Contra

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    Like him or not…good work President Trump!
     
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  8. CharlestonGator

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    Fogel just met with Trump.

    Rubio just said more hostages to be released in coming days….

    Happy to get these Americans home!

     
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  9. OklahomaGator

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    I did go back and look at the Griner thread. There was a lot of opposition to the trade for her and Viktor Bout. Bout is a convicted arms dealer. He was convicted of conspiracy to kill US Citizens and officials.

    Here is what I said at the time:
     
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  10. JustaGator

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    Remember that ICC guy we sanctioned for putting out a warrant for Putin?

    Remember Trump just said Ukraine may belong to Russia one day?

    Once a Putin pet, always a Putin pet. Just spout his propaganda, MAGA doesn't care, but the world sees what is going on.

    Kind of like the AP reporter who lost his First Amendment rights to the White House over the whole "Gulf of America" bullshit. |

    It's just a litmus test to MAGA to prove their loyalty to Trump, who does the same for Putin.
     
  11. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Pretty cool that Trump keeps promises. This guy comes home and immediately thanks Trump.
    “I want you to know that I am not a hero in this at all. And President Trump is a hero," Fogel said after meeting Trump.

    "These men that came from the diplomatic service are heroes," Fogel continued. "The senators and representatives that passed legislation in my honor – they got me home – they are heroes."

    Freed American hostage Marc Fogel lands in US after years in Russian captivity
     
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  12. slocala

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    Good to see him released. What was given up to Russia? Said “not much”. Note: Duplicate thread.

    Trump Envoy obtains release of Mark Fogel, held in Russian prison
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    What price was paid? Freeze Ukraine lines and give Putin what he was able to take?
    Do you find it odd that the give wasn't mentioned?
     
  14. vaxcardinal

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    So much winning here. Pretty soon everyone will insist on a 3rd term
     
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  15. G8trGr8t

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    What has been promised to Putin this time?
     
  16. BLING

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    Whatever it is, I’m sure it it’s not good. That’s how these trades always work. We trade 1 life for 100 terrorists. Or in case of Griner 1 innocent person for an arms smuggler particularly valuable to Putin.

    Similar to the exchange for the arms smuggler, we should know what it was we gave up. Hopefully it wasn’t some crazy off the books Ukraine guarantee. Actually we can pretty much assume if it’s not trading a prisoner swap, it probably is an Ukraine guarantee for Putin of some sort, whether it’s “crazy” depends on what it is that was put up.
     
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  17. Tjgators

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    Winning is selling a lot of popcorn. Watching the meltdown is primetime.
     
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  18. slocala

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    This is the difference between the parties. If you don’t say what you gave up, you can hide the ball. The Dems don’t play this game well — your example is spot on. On balance I would rather know, but we live in alternative realities.
     
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    I wonder why Biden/Harris couldn’t get this done over the last 3.5 years.

    Guess Joe was too busy getting Hunter out of trouble and protecting the Biden crime family via omnibus retroactive pardons. Harris ….. she’s just a incompetent walking word salad.
     
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  20. BLING

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    Trump traded something the Biden Admin wouldn’t.

    You don’t even know what that “something” is or what previous negotiations called for.