I don't totally disagree, but how would that be implemented for scale? Can't just cruise through neighborhoods in a car with a loudspeaker saying, "all illegal immigrants must report to Springfield Hospital for mandatory vaccinations."
Why would we need to deport 11 million illegal immigrants ? Aren’t they all dead from not being vaccinated ?
I haven't read past the first page but I'm going to go ahead and assume that this thread has somehow turned into debating COVID vaccines
The Trump administration will control the narrative since they handicapped the CDC and WHO. There will be no testing, therefore no disease. Trump will go on TV, looking like Baghdad Bob...
LOL, the hysteria. Trump still boasts that HIS vaccines “saved millions” and even now his administration aims to purchase TWO-BILLION mRNA vaccines with equity warrants.
My original thought was that when the Biden admin required vaccinations for all different groups, military for example, why didn't they require immigrants crossing the border and claiming asylum to get vaccinated?
This makes sense, but if they are crossing the border and claiming asylum, they ain't illegal immigrants... Those who claim asylum are vastly outnumbered by those who cross illegally.
Funny you got "off-topic" emojis when that was the first thing I thought. Millions of undocumented illegals from 180 countries crossing the border could maybe be the cause.
Well, you obviously can not vaccinate the got aways who cross illegally But those who did cross legally and were claiming asylum, why were not vaccinations required?
I know some here have totally created their own perception of my views. As they were distorted throughout the covid thread just because I am firm believer in evidence based medicine and knowing the nuances. When you come out and mandate an entire population take a new drug when the vast majority of that population is at little to no risk. Red flags go up all over the place. When you tell people who have had covid must take a new drug. Red flags go up. When you silence those showing the disease really does not endanger large groups of people but really only attacks a small group (elderly with comorbidities). Red flags go up. The silencing of information to mislead through covid will go down in history as the one of the more evil things that ever happened in healthcare. I am confident if you asked your doctor about the cdc. They would tell you the cdc failed them. It is a really hard thing for them to navigate now. As the trust in the entire system was destroyed by failing basic medicine and science. Sept 2021 my doctor did not even bring up the covid shot when I went in. I had to bring it up. He clearly did not want to discuss it as that was prime take it time. But when I did his response was I have no faith in the pfizer shot but I have to recommend taking the moderna (the pressure being felt for sure). I was willing to listen to his advise but he certainly did not provide a tone or attempt to really push me to take it. When you have doctors silenced when they tell you their are no patients in the hospital for covid while the news peddles lies about how hospitals are full of covid patients. Red flags go up. When you really back up and look at what happened...it is infuriating. They knew this disease was not dangerous to young people. Yet they pushed the drug on them. Still do to this day if you listen to the cdc. My parents are a similar age. Dad 73 and mom 69. Neither took the shot. The each got Covid in August of 2020. And we knew then that they had superior protection. Yet they kept saying get super duper protection and silencing those who were questioning what the heck we were doing. Reality was the shot may have helped some with delta if they were older. But if you alpha in 2020 you had better protection. Omicron did not care about either. And was far less lethal as well and still only a real problem for elderly with comorbidities. Glad your doctor is on the correct side. @AzCatFan would tell you to still jab your grandkids. Which is his right.
Remember my buddy telling me he and his wife took the pfizer doses. Each got covid about 3 months later. The shots knocked my buddy down more than covid if memory serves me correct. Covid was a bit worse than the shots for his wife. Might have how it affected them backwards. Both never got near a booster lol. One is a lawyer the other a dentist. It was wild times. My wife took one dose of moderna. There is a reason she only took one dose. Should not be hard to figure out why...
Oh...there was plenty of actual evidence as well. They knew from the very beginning this disease basically targeted elderly with comorbidities. And yes. It became more personal when I got to see SAE first hand. They silenced so many voices trying to tell you all what was actually easy to see if you questioned it. I know the frontline doctors took a beating. But they were far more right (not everything) about reality than the BS peddled by the cdc.
Science doesn't silence voices. It works through the scientific method, which is basically hypothesize, observe, repeat. When every study out there shows a reduction in mortality rates for the vaccinated for age groups 12 and older, and I mean EVERY SINGLE STUDY, then people who claim different better have actual data to back up their claims. And, they don't. You also can't look at vaccine data alone in a vacuum like you do. You also must look at vaccinated versus unvaccinated. If a vaccine causes a problem in 1 in 100, but being infected causes the same problem 1 in 10, which is better for you? Taking the vaccine, which is what science will tell you. But some people here just look at the 1 in 100 and say the vaccine is bad!
Just stop defending the shot that did not protect anyone from getting the disease yet harmed millions. Spare me the it might have lessened symptoms. At the time I do believe you can maybe argue a EUA for the elderly with comorbidities. Though monday morning QB you can argue now that it should have never been given EUA. The harm done has far outweighed the benefit. And yes. They have silenced the SAE of the drug. There is a reason pfizer and moderna never have and never will run RCTs to prove the drug was safe and effective. They with the help of the government (Trump and Biden) pushed a drug on an entire population recklessly with the protection of not being sued. It truly was the antithesis of science and medicine. And we gave them billions.
Then you have me, I take the kids to their pediatrician and I ask “what shots are they missing?” “If it’s missing give them double”
No vaccine in history has ever been 100% effective in providing immunity. The term "breakthrough case" didn't originate with COVID. And in fact, a vaccine has to only provide 50% immunity to be considered effective. So just stop with all the BS that a vaccine has to prevent disease to be useful. It's crap uneducated idiots spew. Again, several studies show the vaccine not only lowered morbidity rate but also the severity and length of infection. A more recent study also showed the vaccine lowered the risk of long COVID. But hey, who needs peer reviewed studies published in established, respected medical journals when you have a dental assistant and his anecdotes spewing out the facts!!!
