EO Drafted to Eliminate Education Dept

News to me. Perhaps you can point out some of the untrue things I've said?

 

As others have said, Congress needs to actually eliminate the DoE. I don’t see how en EO does anything other than “initiate” the assessment and reorganization of the DoE programs. I would expect the EO would effectively require a report that is sent to Congress outlining programs, costs, how the programs would be absorbed into other agencies, and how those absorbing agencies would administer the funds.
Said differently… this is a reorganization / moving deck chairs on the titanic.

The long game is with no centralized agency focused on measurement and standards, it fades from the consciousness of Congress and appropriations diminish over time.

 

What a waste of his time.
It’s on full display on every thread.

 

Not at all, if something untrue was actually stated. This was not a case of stating an untruth, just a fact of ignorant libs not wanting to accept that our government wastes MASSIVE amounts of money.

You might as well start to build up some pain tolerance. The looks into Medicare, Medicaid, and Defense are headed your way.

 

Strawman alert. After posting (and proved wrong) that 1B waste had been eliminated, poster now states that ignorant libs don't accept the reality of gov't waste. Funny that nowhere in the thread does any poster make such a claim so we must believe the poster has access to the claim elsewhere. Link coming.... lol

 

I think we all can agree there is plenty of government waste, but the question lies in what is considered waste. Trump talked about spending “millions and millions” on condoms for Hamas. Of course that would be wasteful spending IF IT WERE TRUE. To me spending millions of dollars on Trumps flights to Florida to play golf and on useless investigations is wasteful.

 

Always a common practice here for the right to post something absurd and then try to argue the absurdity.

 

If you think the US Postal Service, the VA and FEMA do a great job you probably like having the Dept. of Education.

Money is spent most efficiently at the local level, less efficiently at the state level and least efficiently at the federal level (where about 50% is wasted, per Milton Friedman, I believe). Small school districts spend money more efficiently than large school districts.

Liberals want to tell others what to do so they love federal control. We used to have far more school districts than we do now.

Wokeness began ~2012-2013. White test scores have been fairly flat since then to my knowledge. Black scores have dropped. Maybe telling black kids how oppressed and entitled they are wasn't a great way to get them to do homework.

 

Sorry, after trying to tell a mistruth, you properly scurried away ......... but failed to stay gone for long enough.

You know the rules.

Scurry away for longer, please. Unless you wanted to post a link to your mistruth?

 

Well boys, the debate is over. With an argument like that, we now know for sure that jo is a chick!

 

Perhaps the folks w the back n forth love affair can take it to another thread. This one is about the DOE. Sooo . . . back on topic.

Diane Ravitch, education scholar, historian, and member of the first Bush's cabinet in the DOE wrote about exactly what I suggested above:

Trump has promised to eliminate the U.S. Department of Education. He needs Congressional approval to do it. Trump made this promise during the campaign. The details are spelled out in Project 2025. The elimination of ED is step one. Then right wingers approve their dream, which is to “block grant” all the big funding. That means that the money goes to states without limits on how it is spent. They can spend it as they wish, without federal oversight. But then comes the kicker: the federal government stops funding Title 1, Special Education, and other “categorical programs,” and the states have to fund it themselves. This works for the well-off states, because they currently pay more than they receive. But the poor states, which voted overwhelmingly for Trump, are screwed. They receive more from the federal Department of Education than they pay in. Tough justice. Bad for kids.

This author lays out DOE funding initiatives. Also explains how Reagan's shitty education agenda was based on false data. She quotes Thomas Jefferson, who's foresight was astonishing:

In 1786, Jefferson wrote to a colleague about public education: “No other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom, and happiness…. Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish and improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us against [the evils of “kings, nobles and priests”], and that the tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance.”
November 16, 2024

 

I’ve thought the same thing. But she claims to be a he.
Classic libbie stance right?

 

Good

 

Good post. There will be a trickle down effect of governance. Local school districts will not have the Federal government to protect against State level government mandates and control. States can’t print money, so budgets will be slashed or taxes rise. Curriculum will be faith based. Vouchers will be ubiquitous. Eventually the tap will be turned off and parents will be on their own.

Hot take (not really): Public education is the greatest subsidy of all time to business (net of their business taxes). 1) effectively childcare for workers. Business didn’t have to pay for it or compensate the worker. 2) business get an educated workforce. Training costs of an uneducated workforce is expensive.

Second Hot take (warmer): States should issue their own digital coin. It is not a currency, right SEC? It’s is a store of value. Just issue coins, convert to dollars, and use to fund education programs for the state. Value of the coin is how good the state could be at running its own show.

 

Would be a nice post if it had been proven wrong. But it hasn’t, so once again, your cute little teenage level antics have failed. Good luck next time!

 

The original request was actually just for you to back up your source with something other than a meme or twitter post. A pretty simple request. I think mods here even tried to make it a rule here at one point.

Seems like you can’t do that. But someone engaging in juvenile childlike antics probably would flip that into demanding to prove a negative - “well my bs wasn’t proven wrong, ergo I win!”.

 

Once again, there is an entire thread on this right subject here on this board. I don’t think people should need a link to the same site they are already on, but perhaps stubbornly ignorant libbies do.

 

Recap: Poster makes a claim and is called out to prove it.... resorts to strawman: " ignorant libs not wanting to accept that our government wastes MASSIVE amounts of money." Now claims he doesn't need to prove his claim because: "I don’t think people should need a link to the same site they are already on, but perhaps stubbornly ignorant libbies do." Proceeds to ad hominem : "your cute little teenage level antics", " we now know for sure that jo is a chick!", "Hard to think that you can teach when you can’t bother to research." ( funny since poster was asked to verify his claim and can't). But sure we're the juveniles and he's the adult. LOL

 

I think the Department of Indoctrination has outlived usefulness, and it's time in the Sun and should see the sunset on it. Bye bye...