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EO Drafted to Eliminate Education Dept

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Feb 4, 2025 at 12:35 PM.

  1. slayerxing

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    Tearing it down isn't automatically making it better. Sure it changes things, but the only answer people seem to have right now is TEAR IT DOWN, SEND IT TO STATES. Well fine, ok, conservatives control government so try and do your thing I guess, but where is the vision of something new? Of something better? There hasn't been a clearly communicated idea for replacing the DOE - especially at the higher education level.

    So by all means - try to make it better. But at some point you'll have to convince me how this is going to be better, because administratively I don't see it. Not at the higher ed level anyways. I guess the devil will be in the details, as they say.
     
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    DOE has over 4,000 employees. Slowly dismantle it one department in the agency at a time, create a board that can get funding to the states. I am sure there is some large org chart for the DOE that has layers and layers of admin and undersecretary positions with many under them that just eat up funding. The BOE and many of the Washington institutions are just administration centers that creates work for themselves and others below them to create more Admin jobs. The onus should be on hiring, training and educating teachers, not having thousands of administrators that mandate and don't teach.

    Keeping things the same and pumping more money into education does nothing, when it just creates more administration and not better education. 4000 People in DC doesn't help education. Same with DOT (50,000+), and other Departments. The State boards/departments of Ed also need to be reviewed by the state.
     
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  3. citygator

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    This does have the "repeal and replace" feel to it. Its like the Pubs are good on the repeal part, but improving is unclear. For healthcare they never came up with anything. Here, it seems like "less is more" is the plan which seems flimsy to me. Maybe you've seen more from them.
     
  4. slayerxing

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    Just FYI about 1500 of those alone work on FAFSA. You need a lot of people on that project because you have over 10 million people per year applying for aid.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    This. Show us the plan for the rebuilt DOE, or whatever replacement is planned. Because at current, DOE funds a ton of higher education students. On the gradschool level, the DOE also funds a lot of Special Ed programs, which aren't cheap, but Constitutionally guaranteed. What's the plan to replace this? Do we just keep OSEP, but destroy everything else? Or do we keep OSEP, student loan programs, and destroy everything else...?

    Destruction is easy. Rebuilding is difficult. Destruction without a plan? That's a recipe for failure. "If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail." - Benjamin Franklin.
     
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    But ..... per DeS new flunky in Pensacola we should cut that number in half by removing all the females.
     
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  7. citygator

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    The money benefits the states. The agency….not so much !
     
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  12. slocala

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    If you don’t test, it will go away.
    Who knew he was talking about education :D
     
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  13. citygator

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    Why?
     
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    Replace "not thought this through to the end" with "no thoughts at all" and you might have something.
     
  15. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I’ve seen what the libbies have done to education.
    I’m ready for change.
     
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  17. gator_jo

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    Are you sure enough that you can provide some evidence of this?

    Or are you just saying things?
     
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    This seems unlikely to happen as planned, but if it did, would;

    - Definitely hurt a lot of people
    - Definitely hurt less well-off families disproportionately
    - Definitely hurt less minorities disproportionately
    - Definitely impact red-states to a higher degree
    - Be sad to see unfold
    - Be pretty amusing to watch the following;
    - Trump voters get pi$$ed off when their criminal hero screws over people close to them
    - Trump voters who pretend to be "spiritual", or to have integrity or values, quietly ignore this.


    Yeah, that last one would be funny, at least.
     
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  19. gator_jo

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    LOL - you got a 'disagree' rating for a request for info.

    Teacher here. The answer is to just look at the funding.

    CityGator provided some info. The tldr version is that the largest amounts of DoE funding go to help needy or underserved students. Or..... and here we see the right-wing motive ..... to help non-white students hopefully catch up academically.

    The most basic explanation is that it's part of the right's war on education. By harming public education as a whole, they're harming by far more people who are not in their political demographic. And they're better establishing the false narrative that private schools are therefore superior and thus in need of federal or state funding by way of vouchers, for example.
     
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  20. vaxcardinal

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    You can’t be serious? You’re an actual teacher? Boy do I feel sorry for your students.
     
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