Chinese Technology Continues To Improve And American Tech Should Be Concerned

For whatever it's worth, ChatGPT seems to think DeepSeek is pretty good, but it also told me we should be skeptical about the claims regarding training costs.

Performance Comparisons:

• Mathematical Reasoning: DeepSeek-R1 has demonstrated strong capabilities in mathematical problem-solving. In benchmarks like the American Invitational Mathematics Examination (AIME) 2024, DeepSeek-R1 scored 79.8%, slightly surpassing OpenAI's o1-1217, which scored 79.2%. On the MATH-500 benchmark, DeepSeek-R1 achieved 97.3%, edging out o1-1217's 96.4%.
  
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• Coding and Algorithmic Tasks: In coding benchmarks such as Codeforces, which assess coding and algorithmic reasoning, DeepSeek-R1 achieved a percentile ranking of 96.3%, closely matching OpenAI's o1-1217 at 96.6%. This indicates that DeepSeek-R1 is competitive in coding tasks.
  
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• General Knowledge and Language Understanding: In the General-Purpose Question Answering (GPQA) Diamond benchmark, which evaluates factual question answering, DeepSeek-R1 scored 71.5%, while OpenAI's o1-1217 scored 75.7%, indicating a slight advantage for OpenAI in factual reasoning tasks. On the MMLU benchmark, which spans various disciplines to assess multitask language understanding, DeepSeek-R1 scored 90.8%, compared to o1-1217's 91.8%.
  

 

If we could export our own hubris and self-regard, we could really make some money

 

or add to the position? grab buckets when others are grabbing umbrellas?

 

disagree. i have used ChatGPT free version and had tremendous productivity gain in the tasks I needed to get done, specifically writing some reports. had to do a bit of editing but the formattting, structure, grammar, and references I didn't provide were all great.

 

It is what it is. They don't have the tech to do the hardest chips and they don't have access to it or the equipment needed to make them. Period. End of Story. The issue will be the greedy traitors here who would sell that tech to throw a few more nickels in their pockets. Elon would be at the top of that list.

And maybe you should lose the 2010 China narrative. They're an absolute disaster and the entire thing is a Ponzi scheme house of cards. . . . that will probably come crashing down in our lifetimes.

 

I guess that's what I'm saying though, so far AI is useful for like summarizing an email or generating one for you as far as normal folk's usage goes. Nothing has lived up to the hype as of yet.

 

Me too. Although I have yet to have it do anything that could replace a human it really does aid productivity of a human.

 

Its not so much China (not really arguing they are 6D chess masters or something), as just being high on our own supply. I know Americans, I've seen Americans, we arent the smartest people in the world, and we love cutting corners and hyping BS in pursuit of money and investment. This country is full of boorish mediocrities who think they are visionaries, and even more mediocre dumbasses worship them. We are the country of PT Barnum.

 

I had it create and give me an Excel spreadsheet with formulas already embedded, which was pretty helpful to me. It's great with grammar and foreign languages and has explained things to me about complex sentence structure in Spanish that native speakers don't know how to articulate. As another example, it's also been helpful in helping me answer tech questions.

I'm still trying to figure out some ideas to integrate it and use it more. For example, it seems ideal for dictation, which I could do on my iphone, but I am unable to use my external mic to dictate into ChatGPT when on my laptop and inside my work VPN. Still trying to figure out some solution on that stuff. Also, the legal research and reasoning has gotten better, but of course, that's really just a starting point. I don't trust the citations yet at this stage.

 

not an email, a 40 page report on infrastructure costs over a 10k acre site. 40 pages without the appendixes

also wrote a crime prevention through environmental design report for me with little input. spent maybe 2 hours on it and a new requirement like that where we have no in house go by would have taken at least 5x that long to produce. and that is using the free version

 

If tiktok was a danger to US, What is a chinese AI app loaded onto everyone's phone going to do?


Musk agrees with Scale AI CEO suggesting DeepSeek has more Nvidia chips

Tesla (TSLA) CEO Elon Musk seemed to agree with CEO of Scale AI Alexandr Wang suggesting that China's DeepSeek has about 50,000 H100 Nvidia's (NASDAQ:NVDA) chips, which they can't talk about due to U.S. export controls.

"My understanding is that Deepseek has about 50,000 H100s, which they can't talk about obviously because it is against the export controls that the U.S. has put in place. I think it is true that they have more chips that people than other people expect. But on a go forward basis, they are going to be limited by the chip controls and the export controls that we have in place." Wang said in a Jan. 23 interview with CNBC.

Musk replied "Obviously" to a post from a user who had posted Wang's interview on his feed on Jan. 24.

On Monday, DeepSeek restricted registration to China mobile phone numbers.

 

I predict China is going to collapse in 1994.

 

That's less about tech than it is the massive subsidization of that industry by the CCP. If you saw similar efforts here you'd see similar or better results. But, at the same time, you don't want that, because what happens when everyone starts sourcing somewhere else, or doing it at home? Problem here is that this is utterly geopolitical for the CCP, not economic. It's about leveraging us, not saving the climate. We know this and are smartly diversifying. What do they do then?

 

And again, we're not letting those cars in. So, what good was it to build all those cars? China's population and consumption are collapsing and they've spent the last 20 years or so pissing off all their potential customers.

 

This is exciting news which many of you probably aren’t thinking about….looking forward to some new AI generated responses from gator_jo in the coming weeks.

 

But isn't he working on his own battery factories. Or maybe he isn't. Still pretty close to Xi and still has a large stack of chips on China. . . . So maybe the CCP has hope with their Manchurian Candidate right next to Trump (and Trump willing to do literally anything for the right price).

 

The issue with that thought is if they are cheating, the availability of open source would prove that. I'm not hearing any of this over the past 6 months since they put it out as open source. The fact is, China is better at taking something and making it 1 million times better. They've been doing that with military jets over the past 20 years too. We spend billions, sometimes trillions and they turn around and do it for just 50M. Might as well take all of our projects and contract it out to China.

 

We are great at taking something ordinary and making it 1 million times more expensive, then billing the government or a private insurer for it. Dont knock that kind of know-how.