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Trump fires 17 (known) IG's on Friday Night Massacre - Who needs oversight?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jan 24, 2025 at 11:47 PM.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    this is one of the most critical positions. it is why it is targeted. it is why they are deemed independent in every piece of literature. it is why congress passed additional protection. you seem to treat the IG office the same as parks and rec...
     
  2. G8trGr8t

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    that is AG's

    this is IG's

    maybe I should put it in bigger print

    the AG's were never intended to be independent
     
  3. gator_jo

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    Perhaps you're confusing the oversight role of Inspector Generals with the role of US Attorneys?

    Sorry, I meant;

    Perhaps you're confusing the oversight role of Inspector Generals with the role of US Attorneys?
     
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  4. OklahomaGator

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    Well then you need a reading comprehension lesson, look at my post that you replied to. It says: "I think the same thing applies to US Attorneys, usually the President asks for all of their resignations when there is a Presidential change."
     
  5. G8trGr8t

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    as such, should they be subject to political pressure or does the very act itself establish it as an independent agency to protect it from political influence for a reason, the very reason they expanded the protections. independence to do their job as a group responsible to report to congress. how are they independent if they are just reporting what potus wants them to report.
     
  6. OklahomaGator

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    Geez you guys, I said the same thing happens to US Attorneys.
     
  7. gator_jo

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    Oh. Good point. So you're making a comparison between two things that are....

    ...... entirely different.
     
  8. OklahomaGator

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    They are both political appointees, so they are not entirely different. Strong you have, the TDS.
     
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  9. G8trGr8t

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    yur post 60 is AG'. the big bolded one..nothigna t all about IG's. that is the post I replied to. firing large numbers of IG's or asking for their resignation doesn't happen all the time

    Like I said, Reagen did this. Since then djt has fired more IG's (4) in one term than any other potus since Reagen.

    Since then, the law was changed to help ensure the IG office was free from political interference, the way congress meant it to be when they created the office of IG
     
  10. gator_jo

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    You voted for Trump - certainly you must have been closely observing him, both in office and during the four years after he (maybe, perhaps, lol) lost an election.

    Why would you say that he fired 17 Inspector Generals? For the betterment of the country? To eliminate oversight of his own activities?

    Do you consider him a criminal, or to have committed criminal activities either as or after being POTUS? Or both? Do you think that had any bearing on this action, such as to personally control oversight of his actions?
     
  11. OklahomaGator

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    Are US Attorneys and IGs political appointees?
     
  12. GatorBen

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    As I’ve said, I think it’s being targeted because Congress tried to impose more restrictions on the internal operations of the executive branch.

    From the time the IG’s offices were first created, the executive branch questioned their constitutionality (there’s an OLC memo from Carter’s DOJ in 1977 asserting that the position would be unconstitutional out there), and administrations of both parties regularly pushed back on the constitutional permissibility of actually independent IGs. The requirement that the President notify Congress of removals and the reason for them was trying to walk the tightrope of Congress’s inability to actually interfere with the ability of the President to nominate and remove executive officers. As a practical matter, that notification requirement didn’t amount to much - presidents of both parties (including both Obama and Trump) fired IGs and simply told Congress they were doing so because the president has to have full confidence in executive appointees and no longer had full confidence in that IG.

    To the extent Congress has tried to expand its own role with respect to IGs, they may very well be stepping outside of the (already constitutionally questionable) balancing that was trying to keep the IG role constitutionally permissible. I have no problem with the executive branch facially challenging that.
     
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  13. OklahomaGator

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    He probably didn't think they were doing a good job.

    No I don't consider him a criminal until the entire appeals process has run
     
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  14. G8trGr8t

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    yes, are IG's protected in ways that AG's are not

    what is the reason for those extra protections

    does the word independent mean anything? congress established them to act independent of political influence and then strengthened those protections to help ensure it.
     
  15. gator_jo

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    I don't know which sentence is funnier. :)
     
  16. G8trGr8t

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    Congress requires an independent inspector to monitor fraud.

    They set it up under the executive branch to give the potus power. they then limited that power. as the originator and funder of the IG law, should they not have the right to amend it to ensure independent investigations to report to them?

    the mistake was setting it up under the executive branch but they never assumed the potus would be what we have. it is why they changed the law to try to keep it independent

    as is, the executive branch has been usurping power for the last 30 years. now that impeachment is no longer a real option for anything djt does, the only barrier is the IG and the judicial branch. weve already seen what a joke judge like cannon can do in the judicial branch, now to fix that IG problem
     
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  17. gator_jo

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    ^ These things are patently obvious.

    They're just shilling for their criminal. Sad what the American Trumppublican electorate has become. No standards for anything.

    I suppose it should be absolutely no surprise after we watched them shrug off a criminal conspiracy to overturn an election, and a sitting POTUS inciting an attack on our government.

    Beyond deplorable.
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    defense is a natural human reaction

    some people have different agendas and want a more authoritarian gubmnt independent of how it impacts the minority party
     
  19. gator_jo

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    Well, true. But some people only want that if that's what the felon Donald Trump wants.
     
  20. GatorBen

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    The body that empowers Congress to monitor the executive branch is Congress itself (namely oversight committees).

    There can’t be congressional positions within the executive branch, and the reason IGs are appointed either by the president or agency heads is because there constitutionally can’t be congressionally appointed executive officers.

    The idea of trying to isolate portions of the executive branch through independent or quasi-independent bodies or roles is a recent development, and has been controversial and subjected to constitutional questions and challenges for as long as it has existed (in part because the Article II vesting clause vests the executive powers of the United States in the President, not in random “independent offices” created by Congress, and in part because the appointments clause expressly and intentionally separates Congress’s power to create offices from the President’s power to fill them).
     
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