Despite his rhetoric Trump will not be deporting undocumented farmworkers in large numbers. First, he's smart enough to realize doing so would send the price of food through the roof especially if he concurrently imposes tariffs on imported agricultural products and secondly, the large scale farmers that are the beneficiaries of the employment of undocumented farmworjers were also large contributors to his campaign and the campaigns of other Republican politicians. Trump is transactional and is virtually certain not to bite the proverbial hand that has been financially feeding his political campaign and that of his allies.
There are magic people, who commit no crimes, who will be magically arriving to conduct all the labor at the same wages as the soon-to-be deported brown people. These magic people will arrive legally and be taxed, well-documented and well-regulated despite there being no existing program ready and capable of doing so at the appropriate scale. There will be little to no cost associated with replacing undocumented workers with magic people. Oh - presumably these magic people will be White. Please don't say that though. You can say that you really like people from Norway and Sweden (pause on Denmark just for a bit), and that you greatly dislike people from "shithole countries".... but that has nothing to do with race. (wink wink) This is basically the answer that Trumpies have for who would replace deported workers. Even they know that what they believe is so farcical that they won't honestly discuss it, Lol.
My position has always been to give everybody a ssn number as they approach the border. The issue isn’t with the migrants, it’s with the sleazeballs(from both parties)who hire them and don’t with hold taxes or pay minimum wage. Criminally prosecute some people for not withholding taxes on domestic help and give them jail time.
there are hundreds of thousands of "magic people" who arrive every year on a H-2A visas and manage to work and then return home without committing crimes. be better
Not to mention some eventually gain citizenship. But that goes against the far-left globalists' plan of using the southern border to disrupt and destabilize our country. Got to tear it all down before you can build it back up the way you want it.
If there is one thing conservatives think we need more of, it is big government bureaucracies to check every element of a 38 page visa application (along with multiple long interviews on both sides) for what would need to be millions of workers and monitor compliance across tens of thousands of extra employers. Sounds very efficient.
if they are here illegally then send them packing- if business people hire them illegally then fine the business man as not ohnly is he violating the law by hiring them but then he pays them a less than min wage pay in cash under the table which also means they do not contribute to Income Taxes or medicare taxes- lots of crimes being committed
If we had a sufficiently closed border, this process wouldn't be very hard With a porous border, it's difficult to ensure which aliens are eligible to work legally Which is why we have a porous border.
Yes, it seems that approximately 300,000 people per year gain entry to the United States on H-2A visas. That means that when we deport the entire amount of undocumented immigrants, we could have their ranks in the labor force replenished in the short, short time frame of only ................ 30 years. I'm pretty sure there would be no negative impacts to the US economy in that time frame. Is that your plan? If so, be more rational. So that you can be better.
Oh, of course. The history of black markets always show that greater enforcement lowers the cost of enforcement. But just for the sake of argument, why would making it harder to cross the border make it less likely that somebody would misuse a visa rather than trying to avoid the massive regulatory cost of abiding by it? Also, given that we are spending 10x what we fairly recently spent on the border, how much will it cost to "sufficiently" close the border and run a visa program of about 30x the size as it is now?
It's not complex. The guest worker visa process, combined with an open border and zero downside to being here illegally, make it unlikely that people will jump through the visa hoops. Make it harder to cross the border illegally and live here illegally. Make it easier to cross the border legally for those who want to work legally.
The fun part, of course, is posts like this ^ where the Trumpies almooooooost stumble across the answer, which has so obviously been in front of all our noses the entire time. Specifically; Poster references H-2A visa program as a success. Ok. So let's expand that out tremendously, and enhance it, so that all of our migrant/temp workforce needs are satisfied. (Tax, vetting, documentation) Well, who do you think the people in that program will largely be? The all-white, crime-free Magical Workforce from Scandinavia that you Trumpies pine for? Of course not, it would largely be ....... get this ...... crucial point coming!!! ......... the very same people we just paid exorbitant amounts to deport! So how 'bout we just install a program to sufficiently regulate and document them as needed? (which seems to be that approximately 8-9 million of them are needed) The answer is basically threefold; - 1) Cuz Trump couldn't tell racist lies about immigrants to get elected. - 2) Cuz Trump is doesn't really care about the issue enough to really try to solve it. - 3) Cuz then Trumpies couldn't moan about illegal (non-white) people being here. And a stupid wall. This issue is actually childishly simple. But Trump and his cult aren't actually trying to solve anything.
Are we actually saying the same thing? Why the **** didn't Trump try to do any of these things, besides the second? He had four years to do so! Why isn't he trying to do those things now? Because he just wants to tell racist lies about immigrants? And babble about deportations and a wall?
Hmm, now let's look at reality. Let's start with this phrase: "Zero downside." We deport hundreds of thousands of people per year. To avoid being one of those, illegal immigrants have less access to all sort of services, including access to the court systems. So I can name you quite a few downsides pretty quickly. Second, most people would love to get Visas. Heck, almost everybody coming in is trying to get one now via asylum cases. The problem is, the process is nearly impossible. Here is the Cato Institute giving you a pretty good simulation of the process. The Green Card Game - See If You Can Find Your Path to Citizenship Now, you are sort of tangentially correct about one thing. If we make it easier to get a Visa, that is when the number of illegal immigrants will fall. But that is never the focus of the Trump people. In fact, the first time, they spent much of their time trying to cut visas and make them harder to obtain.
LOL. "First we deport all the undocumented workers that we need. Then we let all the exact same people back in" ?? Hilarious.
For starters, I didn't "reference the H-2A visa program as a success" I referenced its existence. For any guest worker program to be a success, it needs to be the only reasonable, rational way for workers to be here. Illegals are rational and can assess risk/reward reasonably well. There's very little risk or downside to come here illegally for work, so they do.
LOL. So what's the solution? The US economy clearly needs the labor output of 8-9 million undocumented workers. Is there a plan to procure that labor after they're all deported? If so why has the Orange Clown never even attempted to propose one, nor do so now? Is the solution to better regulating this needed labor force actually just "They're eating the dogs!!! Build a wall!!" ?
The solution is implementing a visa program that brings in sufficient workers as needed, and then ensure that they leave seasonally or transition to another seasonal job. But to make that work, you need a secure border and harsh penalties for those (foreign and domestic) that don't follow the law. Nothing works without those two things.
I agree. It is ironic that the people that complain about big government are desperately searching for more government to stop immigrants.
