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Former NFL player Warren Sapp sues Okeechobee sheriff’s office for wrongful arrest

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  1. ValdostaGatorFan

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    My bad about replying about "wrong." I mixed up the posts.


    Just as an observation, it seems like some people think that their rights are permanently damaged if they don't exhibit respect and kindness.

    Just as an observation, it seems like some cops think that their egos are permanently damaged if they don't receive respect and kindness.


    Sometimes police officers are wrong, the time and place to address that isn't by being confrontational with the police.

    Yeah, maybe you should file a complaint with the department. To make it more relevant, these are all south Florida departments. Watch it! I dare you. The first encounter was literally chased out of the building. Later in the video he was arrested on a sidewalk after being ran out of another department. Another department sent a guy to the hospital. Hell, just watch the first 10 minutes.



    I fully support recording encounters, and if you care, take that information and do what you will with it.

    Good to hear you support that. I can give you dozens of instances of people being arrested for.... recording the police. The charges are usually Obstruction, the catch-all for anything the cops don't like.


    The only thing I can think of is that you may believe that without such resistance, your rights will be violated.

    Chicken and the egg. Much of the resistance IS because of rights being violated. It's even shown in the Sapp video. Talking is not obstruction in this case. The female cop was engaged with him. The male cop detained him because he was talking, even though the lady cop was interacting with him. There we no ground for detainment at that point. He wasn't even asked to leave. He was just talking, and when he asked the cops to identify themselves is exactly when he was cuffed.

    Completely different circumstance and not in any way related to the situation portrayed in the OP. Irrelevant. For what it's worth, I would impose every legal means I know of to restrict such a thing, and I would be actively reaching out to people helping me to understand what "every legal means" consists of.

    Sure it is related. You are arguing with the police in behalf of a third party. So you are saying that with a cop at your door demanding entry, you are going to start calling around to see what you what legal means you have to prevent a cops entry. You're not even going to tell the cop, No?

    What right was violated by mistakenly claiming that 53 was double 35 but still writing 53 on the ticket? What would a "win" look like in that situation other than getting the police officer to admit that they misspoke about whether or not 53 was double? Again, just a weird thing to get hung up on. Just my opinion.

    Sapp had a right to speak to the cops, in just about any manor he wanted to (1st Amendment), and he was arrested for it (4th Amendment). A win would not being handcuffed and detained.

    It says that they are humans and are perfectly capable of making mistakes, sometimes major ones. I bet you don't go marching through bad neighborhoods confidently shouting out you know your rights and nobody is allowed to harm you because (well, among other reasons) not everybody is going to respect the rights that you believe you have.

    Well, if we are talking about rights, the people of that neighborhood aren't the Government, are they? You know who should respect your rights? The Government.

    We can still push for an improvement with police behavior, accountability, funding, etc. while also recognizing when people are acting foolishly. Nothing that I've written should be intended to suggest that there's an either or with conduct here; both sides of an encounter can be criticized.

    Sure. But side holds the power, it supposed to be professional, are bound to not violate the rights of the other side? I don't care if Sapp said 55mph, 155 mph, or 5mph. He was arrested for speech, and the straw that broke the tyrants back is that he asked the officers to identify themselves.
     
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  2. Gatorhead

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    Interesting thread. For me another example of the incivility of society, lawmakers, law enforcers and the citizenry.

    IMO "law" is implemented and influenced by the state one is in (and often as local as a township).

    How do I know this? Mosey on down to S Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi and compare your police treatment in places like that to other
    states.

    The "law" that is practiced, no matter where one is, depends on the enforcer of it. That enforcer can be nice, compassionate, and what most
    Americans would consider a good "standard".

    Or you could run into police, in Volusia County / New Smyrna Florida (like me) that threaten to kill you (multiple times) for having a beer on
    the beach. Did I resist? NO, Did I argue, NO, Did I do anything other than strictly comply with officers directions? NO. Were we playing loud music or making noises to harass our fellow citizens? NO, did we bother ANYBODY that day? NO!!!

    Our crime: Volusia County had just implemented a no alcohol on the beach policy. We did not get the memo. For our crime of bringing a six pack to the beach, we were threatened with being shot, multiple times. How did the police know we had beer? A spotter in a condo had binoculars on us.

    Police harassment, intimidation and death threats were what I and another (A Coast Guardsman) received for going to the beach that day. Thank you Volusia County.

    I have long wished I had an I phone and could have recorded how those pieces of shit cops acted. In today's world they would have been fired and I would have a nice check courtesy of Volusia County.

    Race, Creed and Economic Standing? LMAO - Oh the law takes none of that into consideration, they are following "The Rule of Law" and do
    not discriminate, they treat everyone the same. One of the bigger societal lies ever hurled into the every mans lap.

    Hmmm let me see, do these names ring a bell? Eric Garner, Daunte Wright, George Floyd, Michael Brown, Laquan McDonald, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott, Freddie Grey, Philando Castile and on and on and on.

    I know cops have it rough, but that does not give them the right to take a giant shit on the public whenever they feel like it, or bust caps on whomever they feel like taking their frustrations out on. Thankfully police have cams, when they are turned on, the intelligent ones know they can't go full cop gangster when they feel like it.
     
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  3. dave_the_thinker

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    That's why you shouldn't post on GC and drive!
     
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  4. WESGATORS

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    Can both be true (your comment and mine)? Do you believe Sapp's rights were violated prior to him inserting himself into the equation? What problem was he trying to solve by inserting himself? I'm honestly surprised at the brushback, this has to be one of the easiest situations to avoid.

    I'm looking at this from the perspective of "if that were me" or "if that were my son" - would that behavior make any sense at all? It's a clear and obvious "no." You want to be a rights tester, go for it. There's a lot that goes into that. Maybe some situations call for it. I just don't see how he or anybody else was being disrespected to the point that he felt he needed to interject himself into the situation. Again, just my two bits.

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  5. ValdostaGatorFan

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    Can both of our comments be true? Sure. Do I think Sapp's rights were violated prior to himself inserting himself into the situation? Of course, not. Afterwards, yeah, I think so.

    I think the hangup here is not whether Sapp should have inserted himself. Whether he should have or not, it was his right to do so, IMO. To me, it is the police apologetic approach of "Well, if the guy wouldn't have said FTP after he was cuffed, he wouldn't have been struck with a billy club 26 times and tazed 4 times. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut. Maybe the cop shouldn't have fractured the man's eyesocket, but again, keep your mouth shut and you would be in the ICU." Maybe that's not you, but I've heard it an endless amount of times from the never-wavering Back The Blue crowd. Minimize what the trained, professional LEO has done and focus on what the victim did.

    There are a lot of people out there that think all cops out there straight from the Andy Griffith show helping old ladies cross the street and getting cats out of trees, when in reality, there are a ton on of dishonest, mean, vindictive tyrants out there who are emboldened by the lack of accountability and being backed by the justice system. Throw in some qualified immunity and they can damn near do whatever they want. And if they are held accountable and at least fired, they'll just move one department over, because departments knowingly hire bad cops all the time. An example would be the cop that shot the woman in the face over the pot of boiling water, that was somehow hired by that department despite being fired from what, 5 departments in 2 years, if I remember correctly.

    Just out of curiosity, have you/will you watch the first 10 minutes of the video I posted? If you have 10 mins to spare, you should see how those south Florida cops act towards people when they don't know they are being recorded, simply for trying to file a complaint against their fellow officers. Look how they treat the public, even ones who are not suspected of any wrongdoing, at all.
     
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  6. WESGATORS

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    We may be talking past each other here. I don't see that we're actually disagreeing with each other. Just different points of emphasis on where we are coming from.

    I have seen it; I believe you have posted it before.

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  7. gatordavisl

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    Will you edit the posts accusing teachers of being "groomers" because we have teachers who post here? FTR I'm not in favor of either manner of speech being squelched.
     
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  8. gatordavisl

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    Ya beat me to it.
     
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  9. gatordavisl

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    Quick - let's make it a rule. A law! An executive order!
     
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  10. Gatorhead

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    POLICE:
    Remember that movie where the guy says, leave it to a _____ to bring a knife to a gun fight?
    Cops today? LOL, they bring an armored division with Hi-mars to solve a domestic dispute over a trash can.

    Right wing pro police press: You hear much about these folks?
    Eric Garner, Daunte Wright, George Floyd, Michael Brown, Laquan McDonald, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott, Freddie Grey, Philando Castile and on and on and on.

    You do and have: The right wing media will first justify these police murders by reporting on any police record any of these individuals may have in their past, or anything negative, while spinning the community service, and "family values" of such toads as Derek Chauvin.

    Now how much press do they give, say, Laken Riley? How much more valuable is Laken Rileys life as compared to the 9 names mentioned above?

    All whom were murdered by the folks that are supposed to be "up-holding" The LAW. I hate that Laken Riley was killed/murdered, I hate it when anyone is. But this is the game the political biased media play, both ways. I acknowledge that.

    One little fact I would appreciate someone sharing with me, how many dead black dudes, dead by police, are there, compared to every Laken Riley case? Yeah, stew on that awhile.
     
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  11. OklahomaGator

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    Do you consider that an insult? If so, I will.
     
  12. gatordavisl

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    My $.02 - I'd rather the mods didn't edit any posts just because they might insult XYZ crowd who posts here.
     
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  13. wgbgator

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    Just to be clear, did a poster who was a cop actually complain about someone saying "pig" or was it just decided that it was out of bounds? It sounded to me like it was just decided because mods knew cops posted here.
     
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    Well one of the mods from another section is a former cop, so I’m assuming he’s the one who has been going around editing any anti-police stuff. Must be nice to have the ability to venture over to Too Hot and edit posts that you personally are offended by. Mmhmmm.
     
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    I hear you but if you carry water for a bad cop that by definition makes you a bad cop.
     
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    So we aren’t allowed to say a disparaging word about cops or religion. And we have a fine moderator starting threads about nonsense. Triple standards. I thought the rule was we were not to be insulting to other members and not use profanity.
     
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  17. danmanne65

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    Are you saying we need to treat police as if they were our parents? That is bizarre.
     
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  18. rivergator

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    Can’t disagree with that.
    Or least semi-bad
     
  19. danmanne65

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    Part of the problem at least.
     
  20. rivergator

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    Absolutely
     
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