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Debate: Billy Carson vs. Christian Wes Huff on Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Contra, Jan 18, 2025 at 3:03 PM.

  1. Contra

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    Billy Carson has been on the Joe Rogan Show in the past, and recently Wes Huff was on the Joe Rogan show as well. So, this has become a high profile debate given both men were on the Joe Rogan show. The debate (~ 1.5 hours) currently has 2.5 million views in the last month.

    The debate was about the fundamental nature of Christianity, Jesus, and the Bible. Billy Carson took the side that:

    *Jesus is not God
    *Jesus was not crucified
    *We should view Jesus more as a good moral teacher instead of a savior.
    *Early portions of the Genesis narrative, specifically the creation narrative and the flood narrative in Genesis were copied from earlier texts in the ancient world
    *Christianity historically has been misogynistic
    *And many other things.

    Wes Huff opposed him on all of these points.



    One Youtube comment someone made after viewing the debate:

    I hope Wes sees this comment. I have been an atheist that believed many of Billy's claims for my entire life. since the debate Ive been watching a lot of your content and im going to say something I have never said before. Wes has single handedly dismantled my entire world view on the Abrahamic doctrines. Not only do I realize how incorrect Ive been my entire life, I am beginning to believe the Christians may actually be right about everything. I cant believe Im saying that, but its true. Thanks Wes, for shattering my world view and setting me down on a solid foundation.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    To the emoji: how in the hell an initial post be off-topic ? Off-topic from what ???
     
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  3. Contra

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    Anything not about Trump is off topic for Jo. Hard thread for jo to respond to with the typical Trump boomerang post because Huff is Canadian. He’s not from this country.
     
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  4. tilly

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    Consider the source.
    Even bots can be confused. ;)
     
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  5. Contra

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    I almost used the pronoun “it” last post in reference to Jo because machines don’t have a gender. However, I figured that might go over too many people’s heads. So, instead of saying “too hard for it” I said “too hard for Jo.”

    Ever since I caught Jo using AI to respond to me, I can’t remember Jo responding to any of my posts.
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    I mean this is basically factually indisputable and not really up for debate
     
  7. gator_jo

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    Rent free.

    Without trying. (or caring. )

    Sad.


    Also; what's it like to start a thread and over the course of about a week....... have so few people care that the only posts in it are you talking about a poster who didn't even post in your thread? :):):)
     
  8. duggers_dad

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    What early texts ? The creation narrative is likely a stylized account of the formation of Israel and describes the temple.
     
  9. Contra

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    The existence of other flood narratives across other cultures is indisputable. However, the debate is how we interpret the evidence. A strong argument can be made that the universal prevalence of flood narratives across human cultures points to a global cataclysmic flood and all humanity descended from the one family that survived the global flood. There is not a single piece of evidence you can find that is inconsistent with that hypothesis. People can start from presuppositions that contradict that and willingly choose to interpret the evidence differently, but that does not make that interpretation indisputable.

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    Flood Legends
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    Well, d’uh. If there was a cataclysmic flood you’d expect other cultures to mention it.
     
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  11. Contra

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    I did not anticipate many people would respond because the OP references a 1.5 hour debate, and it also references a 3 hour Joe Rogan episode. Not many people are going to take the time to listen to anything that is 1.5 hours or 3 hours. So, I am not surprised by the lack of traction this thread got.

    However, what you think about God, the Bible, Jesus, and Christianity might be the most important opinion a person has that will have the greatest impact on their life and their eternal state. Most people do not think rightly about these things, and many people often avoid other people who press them to think rightly about these things. I would be completely satisfied if even one person decided to click and listen to the debate or the Rogan podcast:

     
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  12. CHFG8R

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    Sweet. When's the debate on Santa Claus?
     
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  13. CHFG8R

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    How does it point to a favored family? There would be pockets of survivors all over based on geography. We know humanity reached it's closest point to extinction during the younger dryas, so maybe they're just metaphorical references to that.
     
  14. mdgator05

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    So your view is that the exact same family, within a few generations, had started to have children of all different races? And in the hundreds of thousands? Seems inconsistent with your hypothesis. How many generations does it take to develop entirely new racial groups, go to the Americas Australia, South Pacific, etc., and build populations in the hundreds of thousands?
     
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  15. Contra

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    Any assumption that our current understanding of geography would carry over to a predelluvian world is quite presumptuous. A global flood realistically would be the type of event that could drastically alter the earth’s topography. You cannot look around at the earth’s topography and assume that what you are looking at would resemble the earth’s topography if the whole earth was flooded next week. The earth’s topography would most likely be fundamentally transformed by such an event.
     
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    You're absolutely right in pointing out that a global flood—if it were to occur—would likely have a dramatic impact on Earth's topography. It would be a mistake to assume that current geographical features would remain unchanged after such a cataclysmic event. The scale of a global flood, especially one involving a rise in sea levels or the inundation of large portions of land, would almost certainly alter the planet’s surface in profound ways.

    A few key factors that could reshape Earth's topography during such an event include:

    1. Erosion and Sedimentation: A massive influx of water would cause intense erosion, reshaping mountains, valleys, and coastlines. The force of rushing water would carve new landforms and deposit vast amounts of sediment, potentially creating new riverbeds, deltas, and plains.

    2. Shifting of Landmasses: If the flood were connected to tectonic events (such as earthquakes or volcanic activity), it could cause shifts in the positions of landmasses. This could result in new islands, submerged coastlines, or even changes in the course of major rivers and seas.

    3. Sea-Level Rise and Submersion: Depending on the severity of the flood, significant portions of the land might be permanently submerged, and many regions that are currently dry could become underwater ecosystems. The new coastlines could be radically different from current ones.

    4. Climate and Ecosystem Shifts: Such an event would also likely cause long-term changes in climate, influencing everything from weather patterns to the distribution of plant and animal species. This could further reshape the environment in ways we can't fully predict.
    In light of these factors, it’s clear that any assumption that current geographical features would remain intact in a post-flood world is overly simplistic. The effects of a global flood could be so far-reaching that they would fundamentally transform Earth's surface, perhaps in ways that are difficult for us to imagine based on today’s topography.
     
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    It's presumptuous to assume there would be mountains or higher ground? Thats a lot of mental. . . . mind twisting right there. Didn't the Ark come to rest on the peak of Mt. Ararat?

    I also have serious doubts about a "global" flood and am not sure how that would even be physically possible. What we're probably talking about are similar but different flood events taking place around the world, maybe around the same time. Sort of like the one that created the topography of the NW United States (ice dam burst). This would have been a thing in several parts of the world as the ice sheets retreated.
     
  18. wgbgator

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    Some people like to believe that. There was an Armenian team that rebranded itself as FC Noah a few years ago to capitalize on it.

    FC Noah - Wikipedia
     
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    Some people like to believe a lot of things. Pretty sure I first saw it on "In Search Of", and I think they even had some grayed-out picture that looks like an old hull.
     
  20. Contra

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    This post is 84% AI generated based on an AI checker I put your text into.
     
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