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Trump blames Biden and California Gov. Gavin Newsom for deadly wildfires

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  1. flgator2

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  2. VAg8r1

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    People in North Carolina living in tents? This is from a local Asheville, North Carolina publication, not Fox News or the Daily Mail.
    Opinion: People living in tents — a real story, or a pretext for political outrage? • Asheville Watchdog
    In my opinion, a few people undoubtedly do remain in tents, but they are very few and apparently it’s by choice. And I do feel some in the media or on social media are trying to score political points by bashing FEMA, the federal government, and local leaders. Last Wednesday I went out to Old U.S. 70 with photographer Starr Sariego, and it didn’t take long to find tents set up on adjoining pieces of property owned by Dara Cody and Joe Bryant. They remain neighbors after the storm, although they’re living in a hotel and a camper right now, respectively, instead of in their homes on the Swannanoa River. Those homes are gone, swept away by floodwaters. We found a compound of campers and recreational vehicles, as well as two tents people are living in, and another tent that’s used as a supply tent. Twenty to 30 people are staying on the property at any given time, the property owners and organizers said. Cody said people definitely were living in tents after Helene, but that’s not the case now. “We all have either a camper or tiny home, except (one) couple, Lewis and Samantha,” Cody said.

    As far as California fire victims are concerned. It's been less than a week since the wildfires struck, the Biden Administration almost immediately issued a Disaster Declaration and I'm willing to wager that the president-elect after he takes office will threaten to withhold disaster assistance to California as he did during his previous term in office.
    In case anyone may have forgotten, this happened during Trump's first term in office.
    Trump administration rejects California’s disaster assistance request for wildfires
    “The request for a Major Presidential Disaster Declaration for early September fires has been denied by the federal administration,” Brian Ferguson, a spokesperson for the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services, confirmed to CNN. The state plans to appeal the decision. The denial comes after California Gov. Gavin Newsom requested financial aid from the federal government in a September 28 letter to the Trump administration outlining the financial impact of the wildfires. .
    This happened four days ago.
    President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Approves Major Disaster Declaration for California
     
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    Sea water can be used, and many agencies train around that and different systems.
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    With terrain, distance, air assets are the number one part At distribution. Unfortunately, nothing was flying in those winds. I imagine even the pumper boats would have extreme difficulty with lines to distribution points.
     
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    I see the meddlesome Community Notes, but I’d like to point out they can predict earthquakes on the SyFy Channel …

     
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    You are correct - I am NOT interested in suggesting to my s-i-l she hire an artist who apparently specializes in pastels (chalk for the uninitiated) to reproduce a photographic image of this painting should it be lost. The incalculable value of the oil portrait is its history described in a previous post. That's what makes it invaluable, priceless, and irreplaceable for my s-i-l.

    We still don't know if the house was lost in the last flareup in Brentwood. My sis-in-law, her son and family and daughter and family are all staying with relatives who own a huge house in Santa Barbara. Bella Vista, not the four seasons restaurant, but the one with a 10 acre polo field - look it up if you care. Aging member of s-i-l's family no longer plays polo and wishes to down size. The difficulty in keeping the polo field green is next to impossible with water restrictions in that area.

    Another nephew and his wife lost their home in the Palisades. And to correct you about their standing as a community separate from Los Angeles. That is incorrect. Pacific Palisades is a neighborhood locale that lies within the city limits and jurisdiction of the city of Los Angeles. As does Brentwood. Beverly Hills is a separate city outside the LA city limits.
     
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    Cloud seeding needs around 75% humidity to work. Humidity levels were between 25% and 30%. Seeding would've been useless.
     
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    Or get out of town. Perhaps Ghana would be a good place to go
     
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    Except when you scoop up seawater you probably also scoop up fish essentially giving them a death sentence. Can’t believe those California liberals would be ok with that.
     
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    Sideways move ?

    My ultra-liberal sister, a twenty year resident of LA, fled the city, a few years ago and found a home she could afford near Palm Springs.
     
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    People in North Carolina living in tents? This is from a local Asheville, North Carolina publication, not Fox News or the Daily Mail.
    Opinion: People living in tents — a real story, or a pretext for political outrage? • Asheville Watchdog
    In my opinion, a few people undoubtedly do remain in tents, but they are very few and apparently it’s by choice. And I do feel some in the media or on social media are trying to score political points by bashing FEMA, the federal government, and local leaders. Last Wednesday I went out to Old U.S. 70 with photographer Starr Sariego, and it didn’t take long to find tents set up on adjoining pieces of property owned by Dara Cody and Joe Bryant. They remain neighbors after the storm, although they’re living in a hotel and a camper right now, respectively, instead of in their homes on the Swannanoa River. Those homes are gone, swept away by floodwaters. We found a compound of campers and recreational vehicles, as well as two tents people are living in, and another tent that’s used as a supply tent. Twenty to 30 people are staying on the property at any given time, the property owners and organizers said. Cody said people definitely were living in tents after Helene, but that’s not the case now. “We all have either a camper or tiny home, except (one) couple, Lewis and Samantha,” Cody said.

    As far as California fire victims are concerned. It's been less than a week since the wildfires struck, the Biden Administration almost immediately issued a Disaster Declaration and I'm willing to wager that the president-elect after he takes office will threaten to withhold disaster assistance to California as he did during his previous term in office.
    In case anyone may have forgotten, this happened during Trump's first term in office.
    Trump administration rejects California’s disaster assistance request for wildfires
    “The request for a Major Presidential Disaster Declaration for early September fires has been denied by the federal administration,” Brian Ferguson, a spokesperson for the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services, confirmed to CNN. The state plans to appeal the decision. The denial comes after California Gov. Gavin Newsom requested financial aid from the federal government in a September 28 letter to the Trump administration outlining the financial impact of the wildfires. .
    This happened four days ago.
    President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Approves Major Disaster Declaration for California[/QUOTE]
    I doubt you meant to sound callused in this post .. but it came across that way.
    So a reporter took a drive down the road and only found a few people still in tents. Well ok.. no worries about the Asheville area then.
    As I have family and property in WNC I can say without reservation that there are still many in tents/yurts/ and structures most of us would call a shed or shack. Over 100000 people in the region has property damage. Over 9000 in just the Asheville area. Many are suffering this winter. Luckily many church groups and charities have stepped up and provided extra trailers (still not great shelter in a snow storm) tiny homes, yurts etc… but I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the pain and suffering going on up here.
     
  11. G8trGr8t

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    This. Gentrification will happen just like it is on Ft Myers Beach right now post Ian and lots of east coast waterfront will be post structural assessments. All causing more homelessness and shortages of housing
     
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    all-in podcast on Instagram: "Friedberg: California Created an Insurance Crisis by Artificially Inflating Home Prices friedberg broke it down on episode 210: -- the frequency of loss is INCREASING for homes in climate-sensitive zones (areas with wildfires, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.) -- this includes parts of los angeles susceptible to wildfires -- in a free market, the cost of insurance would rise with the increased risk of loss -- however, california makes it nearly impossible for home insurance providers to increase rates -- this artificially inflates home prices, due to the massively subsidized insurance costs " They're driving real estate value up because they're not allowing the cost of insurance of that real estate to naturally float." " And so by driving real estate values up, the economy looks good, they make property taxes, income comes in." -- but, major insurance providers like state farm pulled out of certain at-risk areas in the state -- for example, state farm canceled ~1600 policies in pacific palisades last summer -- californians living in at-risk areas are now relying on the state's insurance program (the "fair plan") in record numbers -- according to friedberg, the fair plan has ~$220M of capital with ~$5B of reinsurance -- after this string of wildfires, the program has ~$6B of exposure in the pacific palisades alone, and could have $24B+ in total losses -- so, california's state insurance plan is effectively bankrupt, and will need a bailout " At the end of the day, the bill is going to come due." "And at some point, taxpayers are going to look at the fact that they're paying some percentage of their income to support someone else's home value, and they're going to say 'Enough is enough.'" #reels #insurance #california #wildfire #losangeles #la #allinpodcast #allin #tech #business #leadership #learn #smart"

    This crazy if true.
     
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    I looked through a book so.e of Mary Cassat's works when I was a kid and it looked like all of the works were done with pastel drawing sticks. I see that she probably did more work in oils. The artist Sue works in oils/acrylics as well. The art forger I mentioned restored works of the masters. Not sure if he is still alive.

    Regarding Pacific Palisades being inside the Los Angeles city limit, that was my original assumption. Then I heard reporter Mark Groubert say that PP was not in LA and nobody there voted for Karen Bass. Groubert lives in Hollywood and wrote stories for the LA Weekly, so I thought he knew what he was talking about. My bad.
     
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    Bizzaro what trump followers glob onto
     
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    That makes sense. Last year cloud seeding was going on in SoCal at this time
    SoCal water officials test cloud seeding in effort to increase region's water supply

    But last December a La Nina began to form in the Pacific which causes the jet stream to move north. It's associated with drier air in SoCal and Southern states. Thanks for the info.
     
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    Real question: Why are multi-million dollar homes not fireproofed? Seems like ir could save you a lot of money on insurance in areas prone to wildfires.
     
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    Is there there such a thing as a “fireproof” home? I see burned houses that appear to have concrete or brick walls standing as ruins (hell, a lot of houses in FL have concrete walls AND roof). I don’t think that makes them “fireproof”, just means some stray embers landing on the roof won’t start a fire from the outside. It’s resistant to some extent. The problem is the interior of homes still contains lots of flammables, so if the fire gets to the homes doorstep and pushed by 50mph winds (not just some stray embers floating on the wind), it’s going to find any weak point and burn the interior out.

    There are fire rated windows, and I think can we can assume some of these high priced houses had all of the above: Concrete/brick structures. Tile or metal roof. Fire rated windows. Steel doors. But that must not have been enough against direct contact with the inferno.
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    every state has an insurance commissioner that caps rates. why do you think insurers left florida?
     
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    all about the roofing materials and any roof penetrations. keep the embers out. here is the code

    https://up.codes/viewer/california/.../chapter/7/fire-and-smoke-protection-features
     
  20. 96Gatorcise

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    Should have been more clear on my post.
    My crazy comment was about the 6 billion dollar hit just in the Palisades area alone.
     
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