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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. ajoseph

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    I just think you keep looking at this rationally, with an unwavering eye towards what is best for the long term benefit to our country and our allies. And that is a mistake. I don’t think Trump had those forwarding thinking skills at this point in his life, nor the care to burden himself with long term success. I hope he proves me wrong.
     
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  2. CaptUSMCNole

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    I think both sides are getting close to their tipping point and want an off ramp that allows them to save face and accomplish some of their strategic goals. I think Ukraine is ready to deal. Putin is going to have to be convinced and I think LTG Kellogg will be able to provide a lot of good advice on how to do that with help from the US DoD and IC. Again, Trump is just benefiting from coming into office at this point. I would be saying the same thing here if Harris had won.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    Fair question …

     
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  4. duggers_dad

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  5. chemgator

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    I don't think the young would necessarily be the ones to rise up against Putin. They might be more likely to protest and make a stink, but not the ones to take action. If Putin is overthrown, it will more likely be an oligarch or military figure. Someone in their 50's. Someone who could get close to Putin. The Wagner leader came pretty close to doing it (and probably could have done it), but that apparently was not his intention to seize power.
     
  6. uftaipan

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    You are right as can be, but one way or another you still have to get the young men fit enough and determined enough to carry weapons behind you.
     
  7. duggers_dad

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    This feat will be talked about foe centuries …

     
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  8. okeechobee

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    Surely you're smarter than this. The quick math on that is 45,000 troops a month or a 540,000 troops a year pace. Even if he's counting casualties, that's a bogus number.
     
  9. okeechobee

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    You're both wrong. If there was a revolt or revolution in Russia, it would most definitely involve the younger generation. For what do the oligarchs have to fight over? They're going to have a cushy life with or without Putin. The younger generation has exponentially more at stake.
     
  10. CaptUSMCNole

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    So the US IC that was able to provide Ukraine the Russian's war plan for the invasion of Ukraine, does not have a good handle on the amount of Russian casualties on a monthly basis despite all the aide we are sending them? Is that your position?
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    i would be surprised if his legacy didn't matter to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he is being told what he wants to hear to keep him happy
     
  12. G8trGr8t

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    djt has to threaten to unleash complete use of us weapons, defense production act to increase artillery, etc and additional supplies to ukraine to be able to defeat/embarass putin to get a deal that Ukraine will accept.

    i suspect djt is more likely to threaten ukraine with denial of support and ukraine is likely to lean on the EU and their own growing defense industry to produce what they need. this phone call or meeting will not be recorded for posterity nor will anyone not in total fealty be witness to it
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    maybe a chechen warlord with a blood feud against some people protected by Putin?
    fingers crossed...