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Trump blames Biden and California Gov. Gavin Newsom for deadly wildfires

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by VAg8r1, Jan 8, 2025 at 11:19 PM.

  1. PetrolGator

    PetrolGator Lawful Neutral VIP Member

    Facts suck, don’t they?
     
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  2. vegasfox

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    I'll let Megyn Kelly respond to AzCat's post LANGUAGE WARNING:
     
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  3. PetrolGator

    PetrolGator Lawful Neutral VIP Member

    Literally half of California’s acreage is a major fire hazard. Do you have any clue the logistics needed to mobilize that sort of preventative measures when the same area is in a multi-year drought? You don’t just snap your fingers and create those resources. We don’t have access to reality-altering cheat codes to magically support these projects.

    I recall work I did for a water management district in FL when I was still in college. We were simply trying to undo damage caused by the Army Corps when they dredged mangrove forests in an attempt to improve stormwater drainage. Instead, they created major issues with storm surge having sweet avenues to hit populated areas.

    1) Half-baked plans like what the Army Corps did made things worse. They did it on the cheap and without proper support.

    2) Remediation cost millions along a sliver of Pinellas’ coast. We’re talking a fire prevention project magnitudes larger and more complex than “patch holes in mangrove forests.”

    The people making this political are the MAGA Party. They did the same in NorCal. Rather than clear the stupid long enough for the state, Federal, and local authorities to work, you fan factless discontent like it’s some sort of troll game.
     
  4. AzCatFan

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    Yep. Had the LAFD only hired a straight white guy, regardless of qualifications, all their problems world be solved! The fire would have bowed down to masculinity and the wind would've have been quieted to a whimper!
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    I also forgot. The LAFD also needed their old and surplus equipment they donated to Ukraine. Has they had their used nozzles and extra breathing apparatus, along with a straight white guy, no fire stands a chance! 80 mph winds? That's nothing against a straight white guy with surplus equipment!
     
  6. ursidman

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    Just think what a straight white male with high T could do for earthquake prevention in California
     
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  7. demosthenes

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    I still want to know what the preventative measures should be for the Palisades fire.
     
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  8. AzCatFan

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    Send the straight white guy with surplus materials to Israel now, and Ukraine the next day. Guaranteed world peace!
     
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  9. Tjgators

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    So fix it. Come up with a plan that solves it. This is like the guy above who says there is no part of the government that clears dead trees in the forest. Obviously, it needs to be done, so figure out who can do it. Again, ideology/ostrich head in the dirt vs. common sense get shit done.
     
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  10. demosthenes

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    You think clearing dead wood in the forest would prevent the Palisades Fire?
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    spend money on outdated infrastructure and require bigger pipes be installed. has nothing to do with volume of water in reservoirs..

    and change building codes to require fire proof roofs and fire suppression systems in all homes greater than 5k (?) sf.

    i believe many of the fireproofing rules are already in place in the areas beign rebuilt

    insulting, belittling, threatening withholding recovery aid, and showing your total ignorance of the source of the problem is not helpful in any way, shape, or form, other than to boost his own ego and feed red meat to his crazies
     
  12. vegasfox

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    Michael Shellenberger is very sharp. He says don't believe the lies you'll be hearing from Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass and the Democratic Party in the coming days.
     
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  13. G8trGr8t

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    just like you can hurricane proof a house with elevation and structural improvements, you can prevent it from being engulfed due to embers and wind.

    these homes, like the old homes on the beach, weren't built to the current standard

    i can see the insurance companies requiring new ember proof roofs in California like new roofs required in Florida

    CA Building Code for Exterior Wildfire Exposure | Los Altos Hills, CA

    California's fireproof building codes, primarily found within "Chapter 7A" of the California Building Code, focus on constructing homes and structures with fire-resistant materials to withstand ember intrusion and flame spread, particularly in Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) areas, requiring features like ember-resistant vents, non-combustible exterior wall coverings, and ignition-resistant materials to protect against wildfire threats; essentially aiming to make buildings more resistant to flying embers from wildfires.
     
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  14. demosthenes

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    This is apparently what burnt my friend’s house down. He had an older historic home and it was one of a few structures in the area that burnt down.
     
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  15. G8trGr8t

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    is there a shortage of water in the reservoirs? it has absolutely nothing to do with the pipe sie and pump size limitations of the distribution system ZERO. Repeat after me NOTHING. only someone as stupid and simple minded as djt cannot understand it doesn't matter how much is int he cup if the straw is too small

    if you want to talk about rich people not paying enough for water and sewer to update their systems, well that's nationwide, rich and poor. We pay way more for internet and cell service than we do for clean water and sewer, and it continues to show in our systems nationwide

    electrifying the port not only makes environmental sense, it makes long term economic sense.
     
  16. ursidman

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    I’ll be gentle because your knowledge probably does not include natural resource management.
    1. I’ll assume you are probably more familiar with FL. Consider just the Big Cypress in S. FL. It is some 700,000 acres+. Reckon what kind of labor would be required to pick up dead wood? The cost would dwarf the DOD budget. What they do is conduct prescribed fire as a deterrent and despite being under water much of the year droughts and wildfire occur regularly down there. The fire in LA is in a residential area and prescribed fire is not feasible because of air quality aspects, highway safety and the likelihood it could get away. No agency conducts prescribed fire in a densely developed residential area. A few years ago there was a prescribed fire in Tate’s Hell State Forest in the panhandle and it got away and burned up 30+ homes in a sparsely settled area. Other prescribed fires have caused multiple fatalities on FL highways (I-4) due to smoke. I think it might be possible for municipalities to require fire resistant buildings and for homeowners maintain fire-safe landscaping on their property. After a few decades of lawsuits it might prove effective.

    Also, the earth needs to have the nutrients contained in dead trees, limbs etc. returned to it.
     
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  17. reboundgtr

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    Jawja

    Wouldn’t it be refreshing if both sides did that? Instead we get these types of posts.
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    here are the current reservoir levels in the state as of middle of december. every single one except one has one thing in common, they are all above historical averages..repeat after me, reservoir storage has ZERO= NADA= NOTHING to do with lack of water through the straws that feed the hydrants

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    quit parroting ignorance
     
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  19. GatorJMDZ

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    We are in for four years of stupidity and it appears to be widespread.
     
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  20. reboundgtr

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    Lots of excuses…no solutions just like the local politicians that failed their constituents. Cue the drama filled theatrics of major natural disaster theater
     
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