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Trump blames Biden and California Gov. Gavin Newsom for deadly wildfires

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by VAg8r1, Jan 8, 2025 at 11:19 PM.

  1. WC53

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    Man, the devastation is unbelievable.
     
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  2. demosthenes

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    Why do you feel the need to make these disingenuous posts?

    Many of those water projects are in progress and take a lot of regulatory approvals (you act like it was digging a ditch).

    Further, that was around $8B in costs, which was to be partially funded by the state with matching local funds. If the local funds didn’t come then it would hold up the projects.
    Finally, the port electrification cost was ~5% the cost of the water reservoir Prop 1, and most importantly came from the federal government for a completely different reason. It’s interesting you consider breathing clean air a “boondoggle.”
     
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  3. sierragator

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    btw some of the bucket choppers can use ocean water for air drops. Problem is they can't fly in heavy winds. So much for not enough water argument. Last time I checked the pacific ocean is pretty damned big.
     
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  4. demosthenes

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    I didn’t realize the fires over there were bad. This post made me reach out to my friend who lives in Altadena. He just wrote back that they’re safe but lost their house…
     
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  5. Tjgators

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    How does one spend the appropriate money on federal land (57%) if the other 43% of the state land does nothing? To have success, wouldn't it need to be a coordinated effort? The CA government has decided clearing the forest of dead wood is not environmentally appropriate. It appears the Biden administration agreed. Common sense escaped these people.

    As for money paid in and money paid out, I understand CA puts in a little more than they ask for. The problem is with the waste and the poor decisions that lead to what they ask for. This guy shares it best how policy is hurting the people. You of the left should enjoy it because he's a Harvard academic.

     
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  6. ursidman

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    No agency no where cleans forests of dead wood. Ridiculous to even contemplate
     
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  7. sierragator

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    Oh dear, the raking the forests idea again. LOL :rolleyes:
     
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  8. PetrolGator

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    Facts suck, don’t they?
     
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  9. vegasfox

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    I'll let Megyn Kelly respond to AzCat's post LANGUAGE WARNING:
     
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  10. PetrolGator

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    Literally half of California’s acreage is a major fire hazard. Do you have any clue the logistics needed to mobilize that sort of preventative measures when the same area is in a multi-year drought? You don’t just snap your fingers and create those resources. We don’t have access to reality-altering cheat codes to magically support these projects.

    I recall work I did for a water management district in FL when I was still in college. We were simply trying to undo damage caused by the Army Corps when they dredged mangrove forests in an attempt to improve stormwater drainage. Instead, they created major issues with storm surge having sweet avenues to hit populated areas.

    1) Half-baked plans like what the Army Corps did made things worse. They did it on the cheap and without proper support.

    2) Remediation cost millions along a sliver of Pinellas’ coast. We’re talking a fire prevention project magnitudes larger and more complex than “patch holes in mangrove forests.”

    The people making this political are the MAGA Party. They did the same in NorCal. Rather than clear the stupid long enough for the state, Federal, and local authorities to work, you fan factless discontent like it’s some sort of troll game.
     
  11. AzCatFan

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    Yep. Had the LAFD only hired a straight white guy, regardless of qualifications, all their problems world be solved! The fire would have bowed down to masculinity and the wind would've have been quieted to a whimper!
     
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  12. AzCatFan

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    I also forgot. The LAFD also needed their old and surplus equipment they donated to Ukraine. Has they had their used nozzles and extra breathing apparatus, along with a straight white guy, no fire stands a chance! 80 mph winds? That's nothing against a straight white guy with surplus equipment!
     
  13. ursidman

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    Just think what a straight white male with high T could do for earthquake prevention in California
     
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  14. demosthenes

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    I still want to know what the preventative measures should be for the Palisades fire.
     
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  15. AzCatFan

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    Send the straight white guy with surplus materials to Israel now, and Ukraine the next day. Guaranteed world peace!
     
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  16. Tjgators

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    So fix it. Come up with a plan that solves it. This is like the guy above who says there is no part of the government that clears dead trees in the forest. Obviously, it needs to be done, so figure out who can do it. Again, ideology/ostrich head in the dirt vs. common sense get shit done.
     
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  17. demosthenes

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    You think clearing dead wood in the forest would prevent the Palisades Fire?
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    spend money on outdated infrastructure and require bigger pipes be installed. has nothing to do with volume of water in reservoirs..

    and change building codes to require fire proof roofs and fire suppression systems in all homes greater than 5k (?) sf.

    i believe many of the fireproofing rules are already in place in the areas beign rebuilt

    insulting, belittling, threatening withholding recovery aid, and showing your total ignorance of the source of the problem is not helpful in any way, shape, or form, other than to boost his own ego and feed red meat to his crazies
     
  19. vegasfox

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    Michael Shellenberger is very sharp. He says don't believe the lies you'll be hearing from Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass and the Democratic Party in the coming days.
     
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  20. G8trGr8t

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    just like you can hurricane proof a house with elevation and structural improvements, you can prevent it from being engulfed due to embers and wind.

    these homes, like the old homes on the beach, weren't built to the current standard

    i can see the insurance companies requiring new ember proof roofs in California like new roofs required in Florida

    CA Building Code for Exterior Wildfire Exposure | Los Altos Hills, CA

    California's fireproof building codes, primarily found within "Chapter 7A" of the California Building Code, focus on constructing homes and structures with fire-resistant materials to withstand ember intrusion and flame spread, particularly in Wildland-Urban Interface (WUI) areas, requiring features like ember-resistant vents, non-combustible exterior wall coverings, and ignition-resistant materials to protect against wildfire threats; essentially aiming to make buildings more resistant to flying embers from wildfires.
     
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