Florida Immigration

I would tell your NY people, remember why you moved to NC. And remember that a lot of the reasons why you moved away from NY (high taxes, big inefficient government) is because of Democrats. And ask them the following:

"Do you want to destroy NC and then have to move again in another 20 years?"

If they say no, then that's when you tell them to leave the NY politics and the "oh everything is better up in NY" up in NY. That's the thing I hate about the Democrats from California and the Northeast. They're like locusts. They want to bring their Democrat politics with them, ignoring that some of those Democrat policies are exactly why they are having to move. And then when they destroy the new area, they'll move on because they have nothing truly tying them there, leaving the native born and raised to pick up what's left. It's a complete disrespect to the native born and raised populations who maybe don't want to see their state turned into "NYC Carolina borough". I know it's what I hate about Ft. Lauderdale and West Palm Beach. They aren't even Florida anywhere as far as I'm concerned. They're the "NYC Florida borough". They're New York City with warmer weather and a beach.

I think they'll find that they'll get more resistance in the Carolinas.

 

And when you live in a desirable county, you can tell developers to pony up the dough or pound sand. They can make their permitting process as difficult and expensive as possible. Until developers start to head inland to areas like Sebring or Ocala where they would love some developer money in their county.
The state definitely needs to come up with something that balances everything out. Don't want to limit some of the rural counties but don't want to encourage over development in the Sarasota and Collier counties either.

 

Comrade, let me enlighten you to the concept of private property rights and ownership in a capitalist society. There are two sides to every transaction. For every “greedy developer” wanting to swoop in and develop, there is a family looking to sell their farm or land tract for maximum value. Obviously not every farmer or local is on board with blocking property transactions or with the govt “preserving” rural areas, whatever that means (I get societal impetus to want to preserve *nature*, I see no reason for govt to maintain low density in areas that perhaps aren’t even working farms).

Of course any county can do whatever it wants, developers should absolutely have to put roads and infrastructure and facilities in place to mitigate traffic. That is what citizens should be fighting for. Sounds like what you prefer is stagnation and to block development entirely. A losing proposition even where such proponents think they score a “win”.

 

I haven’t conducted a poll, but they invariably complain about NY taxes and, on balance, they appear to lean conservative. I should probably have clarified that most come from Upstate NY and Long Island.

 

Some maybe are, but I would be concerned that the majority might not be, especially for people from NY who relocate to urban areas like Charlotte and Raleigh. People from NY who relocate to more rural areas might be more Conservative.

They might say the right things, since they know there might be issues if they come out as flat out liberal. But that doesn't mean they'll vote that way.

Just remind them, when it comes up, that the reason they left are because of those high NY taxes. And what party has caused those high taxes. And remind them that if they vote the same way, they'll get the same crooked politicians and the same high taxes in NC that caused them to leave NY. Remind them that they don't want to have to move in another 10 or 20 years if they turn NC into another NY.

 

Sounds like you would be fine with a slaughterhouse or a pig farm next to city neighborhoods then. I think housing developments belong in the populated areas where there is sewer water and shopping is near by and pig ,chicken and horse farms belong in rural farm areas. Farmers in rural Marion county get plenty of money for their land and the land can be developed according to oning. That zoning in farmland preservation areas is one house per 10 acres.

 

New York literally has a neighborhood called the “Meatpacking district”. Where do you think the neighborhood originally got its name?

Granted, there probably aren’t too many actual large scale meatpacking plants left there anymore (if any at all). Most likely a function of the real estate growing too expensive to scale up. Similar phenomenon in Chicago which used to have huge cattle stockyards and cattle coming in on train cars for about 100 years.

Nice fantasy but doesn’t seem zoning one house per 10 acres would be sustainable for long. Not if there’s free market economic pressure to develop housing. Most areas of low density are that way because there hasn’t been development pressure in the past, and now the developers are going where they need to go to find buildable tracts that are available for sale. Development brings in $$$ and jobs long term and that’s generally always going to win out. Esp when the owners of these larger tracts can sometimes get 8 or 9 figures. You may not realize it, but you are basically AOC here.

 

There is plenty of land zoned for housing developments closer to Ocala. There are laws on the books designating this area as Farmland Preservation for a reason. These developers buy the land cheaper because of the zoning and then try and get a special zoning to increase how much they can make. So far it has held up and the developers have not been successful in getting the zoning changed. It is pretty stupid to want to live in a neighborhood setting with small yards and houses on every side of you and have none of the benefits of living in town or the advantages of living in a rural hobby farm setting. No sewer or water so everyone is on well and septic. No fiber optic cable or pizza delivery. Many have moved out here thinking they can work from home so the commute does not matter only to find the internet is not good enough for them to work at home. Twenty miles to town to work or go to a doctor or hospital. Fire departments well over 5 miles so getting medical help or saving a house fire is never good.

 

All those million dollar brownstones started as cheaply built affordable housing for workers too. There was no such thing as "commuting" then, so having factories where people lived was pretty normal. Now all the meatpacking is done in places you've never heard of.

People fighting capitalist (over) development has been done broadly across all classes and political outlooks FWIW. Our county just passed a rural boundary thingy via referendum to prevent overdevelopment (via a massive 73%), and lots of money from developers came in to try to buy one of the commissioners seats.

 

I was looking to buy land north of Ocala but waited to long and now prices are ridiculous.

 

Bien venidos a todos! Estamos tranquilo aqui en la Florida

See how we Republicans embrace change & diversity?

 

Side thought: should we change the name of Florida to maybe make it less Spanish?

 

As long as it flows well when we sing We Are The Boys

 

Just change the official spelling to Floorduh