China virus used to subvert Trump

I don’t know if Trump was parroting the right wing media or it was parroting him. But they all did a disservice to the country by making it political.

 

Only "right wing" media?

 

Overreaction to a virus that quickly became a top 3 cause of death? That's funny. And just simply isolate the elderly and those with serious comorbidities? My question has always been how? There are millions of kids living with grandparents as guardians, millions more living with a parent with a comorbidity, millions of persons who work at retirement homes, and many people over 55 still in the workforce. How, pray tell, do we simply protect those at highest risk and allow everyone else to maintain a normal lifestyle? Can anyone lay out even a concept of a plan? Nobody ever has beyond the overly simple platitude of we should have just protected the most vulnerable.

Many people here also have no concept of public health. Public health is about doing the most good to the highest percentage of population. And when you look at the vaccine stats, for every age group over 12, the data clearly shows those vaccinated had less hospital visits and deaths percentages. Encouraging everyone to get the shot did the most good to the highest percentage of persons. The numbers don't lie.

Making the vaccine political hurt us. Scientists knew it was going to be a race between vaccine and variant. They knew it was only a matter of time before the wild type of COVID would mutate and gain an advantage over the vaccine. The race was to get the vaccination rate to 70% or over, because the belief was with this high a vaccination rate, plus those with National Immunity, we'd get close to herd immunity. But total vaccination population was barely over 60%, and Delta came on quicker than we had hoped. With Delta, it changed the herd immunity number up to closer to 90%.

Last, I can buy the creation of the virus was a mistake, but do not believe it was intentional. Who creates a deadly virus before they have any sort of a cure?

 

Wouldn’t you agree that theyre ones who downplayed it and claimed that those said it was serious were only trying to damage Trump?

 

In his memo referenced above Trump was right on all accounts.

There was no new disease. Those who argue otherwise are lying.

No one was lost to a fictitious disease. Those who argue otherwise are lying.

I can’t account for why he was right then and then, a scant few days after, embraced the lie.

My surmise is that key players got him in a room and lied to him that if he didn’t buy into the lie he’d have blood on his hands.

 

Trump was also correct when he later declared that if testing stopped Andromeda Strain would go away.

A fraudulent diagnostic was the only thing sustaining the perception of a pandemic and Americans were hysterically testing upwards of TWO MILLION A DAY.

 

I would say both sides were the issue. Just think if the “left wing” media did not censor those who were looking at the data and seeing the fear campaign was nonsense.

 

If Covid is a lie, as I am convinced it is, who are the criminals ?

Whom should we be angry with ?

Who among us should be embarrassed ?

 

My saying we were fed BS may be a little strong. That’s directed at those that won’t admit cloth masks, 6’, and the shot would protect us. My wife and I are both good cooks who enjoy home cooked meals, so we don’t go out much. My neighbors across the street go out for lunch every day and others I know have dinner out or order for delivery. None got covid. The first time we went out to eat during covid there were masks requirements. Cooks, wait staff, and hostess all wore masks of different designs. We had to wear ours to get in. Once seated we were allowed to remove our masks. The restaurant was packed. Tables were spaced further apart. I could feel the AC blowing which probably carried our exhaled breaths off to where others were seated. Everyone touched the door pull entering and exiting. I thought to myself,,, if covid spreads via air, and touch, is so deadly, why is this allowed and safe? We didn’t eat out again for a while. That was another bit of BS about protection.

I was a firefighter and police officer. On the FD I was often exposed to viruses/diseases like Mersa, numerous hepatitis strains, etc.

The doctors and nurses were our hero’s during the height of covid. And I too don't second guess the intentions of all our first responders and medical personnel.

Yea, incorrect info was put out there by both sides for different reasons. There’s no I was right and you were wrong.

Trump and others lied while others stated opinion as fact, etc. Both were wrong.

As to Trumps reasons for saying and doing stuff. I’ve given up trying to figure out his motives. I do think much of what his did was to get
re-elected to a second term, just like most other presidents in the past.

 

Covid isn’t a lie, especially early covid. It killed a lot of elderly and still exists today in a much milder strain similar to the flu. My doctor says at my age of 71 the risks out weigh the benefits of continuing covid boosters. I’ll probably pass on the next booster.

 

Wait, WHAT?!

"Both sides" put out "incorrect info" ? What "sides" were there?

As you acknowledge, Trump deliberately lied to the public. What other "side" was there? The scientific community? And if they were sometimes incorrect in their guidance, what was their motive, other than best intentions to keep people healthy? Are they really a "side", and is that even remotely comparable to knowingly, repeatedly, and deliberately lying to people about a deadly pandemic?

You think maybe you're equating being "wrong" with being deliberately criminally negligent and derelict in duty?

Uh, yeah. Most other presidents might say...like....the economy is better than it really is, in order to get reelected. Trump said things (lies) that undoubtedly cost people their LIVES.

 

Nobody ever died before 2020.

 

I don’t recall that this was a right vs. left issue at the outset. As I recall, Americans across the board were alarmed and bought that we were facing a nearly unprecedented crisis.

The right STILL believes that so-called Covid is real and “deadly for some.”

Indeed, it’s Covid believes going for the throats of other Covid believers on this board.

 

When I hear “Covid is real, I almost died from it” I respond that I’m sorry to hear that and I trust that they recovered.

I am not suggesting they made up the almost died part.

 

Interesting info as my doc who is also my BIL told me just the opposite. Of course I probably wouldnt get them if it wasnt for my wife nagging me about it.

 

The thing that pisses me off, about Trump, is that he will likely never be held accountable for his Warp Speed Kill Shots. This is the almost invariable pattern from country to country …

 

True, but there were a lot of Inflated data points by both sides. Honesty wasnt the goal. Clicks were. Heck here in NC we had media spewing the lie about no hospital beds when I know as a fact that was because they blocked off too many for Covid that ended up sotting empty while non covid patients were Ignored.

Also...should we move this thread to the covid thread?

 

I never took the DANGEROUS "vaccine" that IS NOT EVEN A VACCINE... It never vaccinated you from getting Covid-10... was never proven to keep you safe dying from Covid-19... it was never proven to be safe to take... was never proven to prevent you from passing Covid-19 on to others.

The so-called "vaccine" WAS NEVER EVEN A VACCINE... you all believed the pharmaceutical industry without even questioning the efficacy nor the safety of it. And you took it without a care in the world, thinking it was safe. I have a life long family friend that was partially paralyzed from that dangerous drug, and I warned you all that it's dangerous.

It proved to be dangerous to my family friend, and yet, if you were lucky enough not to have adverse effects after taking IT STILL DID NOT PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING COVID.

Why take something that is not what these people say is was? They said it was a vaccine, yet, it never prevented you from getting Civid-19?

There were monoclonal cures for Covid-19, so you never had to endanger your life by taking that experimental drug in the first place. Ivermectin for humans was vindicated in several medical articles as helpful to fight Covid-19's effects, yet the people here like you, Tilly, believed that proven medicine (Ivermectin) was somehow quackery or just a horse drug?

You, Tilly, have been wrong all this time... and no matter how many times you say it, you cannot prove that a family member was better off taking the "vaccine" simply because they did not die from it. And you cannot prove that it saved anyone's life.

By the way, I am still very haoppy that your father is okay, Tilly.

I was right on Obama Bin Lyin' too... And a host other other subjects.

 

Parody, right?

Why, then, did you vote a second time for such a dastardly person who foisted such a dangerous fake vaccine upon the American public?

 

It’s a fair question.