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What will history end up saying about a Biden Cognitive Decline?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by CaptUSMCNole, Jan 5, 2025 at 12:16 PM.

What will history end up saying about a Biden Cognitive Decline?

  1. There was no cognitive decline

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  2. There was cognitive decline in his last year

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  3. There was cognitive decline in his last two years

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  4. There was cognitive decline in his first year

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  1. CaptUSMCNole

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    I just watched Simone Sanders claim on Meet the Press that Biden has not had any mental cognitive decline, which made want to see what people here think. What will history will say in 2040 when the books about the Biden Presidency have been written by staffers and others that interacted with Biden during his term?

    When do you think Biden started having a cognitive decline, if it was happening at all, and what was happening that made you reach that conclusion. Not looking to get into a debate about this but just wanted to hear people's opinions about this issue.

    For me, I think it happened and started in the last two years of his term. I think Biden came into the office not able to keep a Bush/Obama type POTUS schedule because of his age but was still mentally with it to the point he could carry out his duties as POTUS. By '23, I think the weight of the job took its toll on Biden cognitive ability. His having to use the shorter stairs on Air Force One, skipping dinner with NATO Leadership opening dinner, and the lack of press conference availability was what made me think it was happening. I think the conventional wisdom in 15 years will be that Biden did have a cognitive decline and it happened mainly starting in the last two years of his term.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    Come on, MAN!
     
  3. 108

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    That he beat Trump..
     
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  4. BLING

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    It will probably be a point of discussion but not really anything of “historical significance”, not unlike Reagan who likely had signs of Alzheimer’s while still in office but was still able to finish out his term - and wasn’t officially diagnosed until 4 years after leaving office.

    I think the only thing of real historical note re: Biden’s health that history will remember is the “debate” performance, which is what forced Biden to step aside.
     
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  5. AgingGator

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    First, even going back to the 80’s, Biden was never in the top half of the sharpest knives in the block, but let’s face facts; much of the House and Senate aren’t that sharp either.

    I do not believe that Biden was fit for office on Day 1. Like it or not, the Obama/Bush schedule is a requirement for the job. Not being able to accommodate that requirement makes one unfit.

    Biden’s decline started long before the election but it usually was a partisan debate. Both parties were wrong early on in this debate. Biden’s mental acuity wasn’t as bad as republicans claimed, and it wasn’t as good as democrats claimed. The “debate” performance last summer just served to end the acuity debate. At that point it was blatantly obvious to all that Biden wasn’t struggling.

    Trump definitely showed signs of wear and tear and four years of harassment and two assassination attempts. So far he seems to be back to normal speed and is willing to talk to interviewers. We’ll see how it goes from here.
     
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  6. GatorTheo

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    They hid him in 2020 for a reason.

    I think the big history story will be how MSM was in cahoots with the democrats in protecting Biden.
     
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  7. VAg8r1

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    And yet in their first debate in 2020 Biden cleaned Trump's clock. From 538 following the debate.
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    Who Won The Debate?

    Biden also won their second debate.
    CNN Poll: Biden wins final presidential debate
     
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  8. CaptUSMCNole

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    If Biden did so well in the debate, why did Democrats start calling for him to withdraw from the race?
     
  9. VAg8r1

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    I was referring to 2020 not 2024. Biden's performance in 2024 was truly abysmal. In fact it was so poor that it was cringe worthy. I was responding to @GatorTheo who implied that Biden was showing signs of dementia as far back as 2020 and that he was "hidden" for that reason.
     
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  10. CaptUSMCNole

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    And allowed him back into the White House four years later.
     
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  11. CaptUSMCNole

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    Sorry, I missed that. Just got done shoveling snow and have not had my caffeine intake for the morning yet.
     
  12. CaptUSMCNole

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    So what would it take for you to think that Biden's cognitive decline would cross over into historical significance?
     
  13. AgingGator

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    So now in 2024 is that Trump is a better president than he is a debater, and Biden was a much better debater than he was a President.

    Debates are only debates. They give the electorate another data point to use in their decision. They are in no way a correlation with job performance.
     
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    Do you think Reagan’s Alzheimer’s was of “historical significance”? It’s a thing I see discussed/speculated, but no it’s not significant to the history of the United States nor could I point to anything that went differently whether there were cognitive issues there or not. No evidence any supposed cognitive limitation led to any policy issue or decision.

    Similar to Reagan, we will probably never know the true extent of Biden’s issues as people will have different spins (and indeed people may have even seen different issues whereas some maybe never witnessed it). But the only event that caused any historical change was that debate, which forced his hand to drop out. The only people I’d want to hear from on that is the people who worked with them on debate prep. Totally crazy if his “mock debates” were anywhere near as bad as the real thing, so I can only speculate Biden wasn’t nearly that bad behind the scenes. But none of his follow up performances were confidence inspiring either. Part of Biden’s issue was that even coming into office he was hard to listen to due to his studdering, and his speech definitely got worse in his 4 years.
     
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    Speaking only for myself only because it became apparent during his last year in office that it forced his withdrawal from the 2024 presidential campaign.
     
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    I don't see it having any historical significance
     
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    is djt mental disconnect from reality of historical significance?
     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    Regarding debates, how much they matter, Nixon cleaned JFK’s clock in 1960.

    *runs away
     
  19. duggers_dad

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    Dementia no longer seen as a bar to presidency

     
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    Well, maybe he should have shaved then.