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Gallup says this on Trump and the border

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Jan 3, 2025.

  1. vaxcardinal

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    yes but since we're just making up hypotheticals, no need to worry about mexico agreeing.
     
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  2. g8orbill

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    both funny and true
     
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  3. ajoseph

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    Again, I this is his “plan,” but my point is —forget the politics,ignore red vs blue, just for the moment.

    How can he accomplish the apprehension of 30 million people (according to figures), and then find a place to ship em out and then ship em out?!?! It is an unprecedented,staggering, if not impossible logistical nightmare.
     
  4. gator_jo

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    In Bill's world, illegal immigrants have the right to vote.

    Fascinating stuff, really.
     
  5. gator_jo

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    It's probably rational to assume this is a typo that should be "millions."

    That said, might you be that rare (nonexistent?) Trump supporter who can posit the most rudimentary idea of how the jobs would be filled, should appx 8-9 million employed undocumented immigrants be deported?
     
  6. AzCatFan

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    My post was edited. There aren't trillions of jobs. But there are trillions in dollars that would be lost if all undocumented immigrants were deported.

    As for Visas, HB1 are for skilled labor. These are those who generally have a college degree. They aren't coming here to pick crops, work in construction, or turn over hotel rooms. They do jobs Trump doesn't consider to be "black jobs."

    And even if they did, the limit when you include the 20k extra visas for those with a Masters degree or higher is only 85k a year. We have over 8 million undocumented in the workforce. It would take decades to replace all undocumented labor with legal immigrants.
     
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  7. mdgator05

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    Common phenomenon. Often called "Bootleggers and Baptists" off of an initial metaphor utilized by an economist. The idea was that there are two groups who support restrictions on alcohol sales. Baptists support them because they think that restricting alcohol will make the world a better place. Bootleggers support them because it lowers their competition and leads to increased prices. The bootleggers don't really fear enforcement, as they know that more money will allow them to more easily corrupt law enforcement officials.

    We are seeing a similar dynamic develop in immigration. We have spent the past decades thinking that we could enforce our way to lower immigration. We spend about 10x as much as we used to spend on enforcement. We have spent billions and billions on infrastructure on the border. We have hired thousands of additional agents. And yet, the border is "open." How? Because a large illegal industry has been built. The illegal businesses have a set of negative externalities that could be avoided with smarter immigration policy, where markets determine the level of US immigration rather than central planning. Instead, we are doubling down on enforcement, increasing those businesses' profits and making them even more powerful.

    One of the more interesting parts of this is how convinced the "Baptists" are that their policies are hurting the "Bootleggers," when, in reality, they are allies that help build the "Bootlegger" business.
     
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  8. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    well certainly they do not have the right to vote, but the dems are going to try and give them the right to vote so they have a permanent underclass who will always vote dem
     
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  9. mdgator05

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    It is interesting that you suppose that there is a "permanent underclass" amongst immigrants. What is the basis for this assumption? That prior immigrant groups all stayed poor generation-by-generation?
     
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  10. G8trGr8t

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    What would Jesus do
     
  11. G8trGr8t

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    A very large percentage of the underclass votes republican. Appx 50% of those reporting less than $30k in income voted for the orange grifter.
    News flash..unless the dems control 2/3 of the Senate they can't give voting rights to anyone. Tired boogeyman
     
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  12. G8trGr8t

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    None so blind as those that refuse to see
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    Too wordy
    Fake news...tested, proven successful argument :)
     
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  14. gator_jo

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    Oh.

    Do you think this is likely?
     
  15. G8trGr8t

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    We had a program like that. Some orange dude defunded it as he said it wasn't working good enough. That coupled with major hurricanes and djt cuts to security aid gave us the caravans that were momentarily interrupted by covid. Covid only made economic conditions worse and drove more migration. This isn't complicated
     
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  16. chemgator

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    Why don't you wait for that to happen and THEN clutch your pearls?
     
  17. g8orbill

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    because if you wait it is too late
     
  18. chemgator

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    Reminds me of the old joke about how many Baptists you should invite fishing. Never invite one, because he'll drink all your beer. If you invite two, neither will drink in front of the other.
     
  19. vegasfox

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    This is how you rationalize letting your co7ntry get colonized by the third world.

    Victor Orban and Hungary have done a good job protecting their people.

    The UK is being assimilated. Tommy Robinson resisted. He spike out against the Muslim grooming gangs and the police and politicians who took bribes and looked the other way. This is what a real man looks like:

     
  20. mdgator05

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    You see, unlike Russia, America is a country not created by blood and race but by a philosophy. That is what is unique about my country.