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Gallup says this on Trump and the border

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Jan 3, 2025.

  1. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    We shall see
     
  2. okeechobee

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    LOL, why isn't the border secure in the first place? TF is wrong with our government? Richest country in the world, dozens of our military bases all over the world inside other countries, but can't secure our own border. How is that possible? Oh, snap. I know how it's possible. The Democrat party has been doing everything they can for years to destabilize our border.
     
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  3. chemgator

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    Now you want to buy PLANE TICKETS to send migrants back home? Let's see, half a million people enter the U.S. illegally every year. Flights from San Diego to Mexico City are going for $550. Total cost $275 million/yr. Cost to American consumers in paying for more expensive food and home repair? Billions. Look of horror on republicans' faces when they see their first re-roofing estimate? Priceless.
     
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  4. g8orbill

    g8orbill Old Gator Moderator VIP Member

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    Chem I don’t care how we send them back as long as we send them back
     
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  5. gator_jo

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    I read this earlier- great article, very interesting person.

    The problem, of course, is that the voters of the felon have zero concept of the USA's need for immigrant labor, documented or not. Present them with the numerical, economic aspects and challenges of the issue and they either;
    1) Scurry away without a word
    2) Dispute the figures, with no plausible alternatives
    3 Scream "FAKE NEWS"

    It's (been) comical (for years).

    At least there may be some new comedy to look forward to : I'm starting to wonder if this Trump clown may end up explaining that all these people don't need to be deported after all. Just registered.
     
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  6. GatorJMDZ

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    And we'll laugh at the MAGA minions who don't know the difference between "borders" and "boarders."
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    We get it. You don't care who gets hurt, including families, businesses that rely on immigrant labor, towns that rely on those businesses, consumers who end up paying more because of lower supply, and everyone who suffers due to the recession caused by trillions of jobs going unfilled. Nope, all you care about is serving the law.
     
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  8. vaxcardinal

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    Just did a google search for flights. Nowhere near $550.
     
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  10. chemgator

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    My search was on Expedia. I'm sure that wasn't the first class rate, either.
     
  11. OklahomaGator

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    Trillions of jobs going unfilled.......seriously. There aren't that many people in the world.
     
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  12. ajoseph

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    I don’t think it is really surprising. Along with the economy, it was his biggest talking point of the election. And I think to attack the illegal immigration threat, the focus needs to be stopping the cartels who make billions—more than they do on drugs. Trump, at least through rhetoric, stated he will take on the cartels. How he goes about that, with the cartels in another country that has no present appetite for warring against the cartels, remains to be seen.
     
  13. ajoseph

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    But Bill, wheat’s the basis to support the number that Trump claims illegally entered?! He boasted 30 million a year come in illegally (if memory serves me). If they came in illegally, there’s no documentation or proof of who came in, how does he support the number?

    Isn’t that “an estimate”?

    And, with that, how do you think we can logistically muster an army, and the funds, to do what Trump promised: a) Find the 30 million illegals, (b) round up and apprehend 30 million illegals, (c) transport the 30 million to temporary facilities, (d) house the 30 million, (e) feed and provide temporary healthcare for the 30million, (f) find a country that will accept the 30 million, and (g) transport the 30 million tow foreign country —all without starting and ensuring a war with the new host countries?

    I think it’s logistical, not to mention legal, impossibility and one that Trump surely didn’t provide any details in the campaign trail.

    What are your thoughts on how he will do all of this?
     
  14. ajoseph

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    Wouldn’t Mexico—the same Country that Trump routinely verbally attacks—need to cooperate with this?
     
  15. g8orbill

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    I am expecting him to use the NG, in conjunction with local police authorities- will there be some police authorities who will buck him- absolutely. It is going to be a fight in the blue states for sure- but in the big cities of the red states as well. Will it get ugly- absolutely. He has 4 years with no option of reelection so I am sure he will go all out
     
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    If immigration from the 3rd world is so great the people of Europe must be pretty happy with it. Reality: The countries Europe once colonized are colonizing them. Citizens who voice their opposition to the influx are going to jail.

    Yes terrorists prefer to come in legally but many do not. Your numbers are as ridiculous as your estimate that <100people died from the Covid vax. The clock is still running on those numbers. I predict the number of people who will die/have their lives shortened will be well over 100 million.

    Here's an article that challenges the numbers you presented on terrorists coming into the US:

    "Border Patrol agents apprehended a total of 367 individuals at the southern and northern borders between fiscal years 2021 and 2024 whose names appeared on the terror watch list, according to the latest data released by Customs and Border Protection (CBP). The number marks a roughly 2,521% increase from the 14 suspected terrorists caught between ports of entry in fiscal years 2017 to 2020. (RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: Border Patrol Released More Than 30,000 Illegal Migrants Flagged As Security Risks In Last 15 Months)"
     
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  17. ajoseph

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    Think everyone philosophically agrees with these points. But in practice, everyone literally benefits, financially, right or working, from the illegals accepting wages far below market. It’s why we can afford basic things like produce. That’s not to say it’s right, again, but it is reality.

    Perhaps Congress can get together and creatively solve the issue, like creating farms where immigrants can temporarily be housed, fed, medically cared for, and be paid a small wage, all with a legal temporary lawful right to be here. Creative people working together to find solutions sounds like a good start to me.
     
  18. g8orbill

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    The dems want the illegals for the lower class votes mostly go to dems, so do you really thin the dems in Congress are going to give that up
     
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  19. ajoseph

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    I can appreciate that YOU don’t care, and it definitely isn’t your problem to care how it takes place. But SOMEONE needs to care about the reality of the logistical and legal costs to find, roundup, house, and then find a new host country, and then transport them to the new country.

    It’s all fun and games to shouter rhetoric during a campaign. Now he needs to execute on the promise, and I cannot envision any viable path for him to do it.

    And neither do you.

    My best guess is that we will see large,publicized round-ups, for a period of time over several months, where tens of thousands of people are evicted. And slowly the publicity will decline and our short-term memory population will be satiated, and nothing of any real substance will be accomplished.
     
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  20. vaxcardinal

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    well if you use flights.google.com it shows you the fare for each day of the month. None of them are close to what expedia quoted you.