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What If Our Democracy Can't Survive Without Christianity?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GrandPrixGator, Dec 23, 2024 at 9:41 AM.

  1. Contra

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    Morality and Christianity are not the same thing. You are correct about this. The question that should be asked is "Is there a causal relationship that exists between the two?" Or to use a metaphor, often used in the Old and New Testaments, the fruit of plant and the root of the plant are not the same thing. You could remove the root of a plant and leave the fruit of a plant. The fruit of the plant might not immediately die, but without the root the fruit cannot be sustained. A gardener might pluck up all of the roots in his garden. For a short time, he might boast that his garden does not need roots, but his boasting would not last very long. He would soon be exposed as a fool who killed all the fruit in his garden. Many people will lose their souls in this way.
     
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    How are India and Taiwan (each only about 2% Christian) functioning democracies?

    I would tend to agree that Christianity, with its emphasis on forgiveness and multi-culturalism (Jesus frowned upon looking down upon Samaritans and other groups of people), gives societies in general an advantage over religions that emphasize "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", but I don't see that it provides a direct benefit to government.
     
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    That's not how Madison ran his republic. Madison, Jefferson, and Monroe were the first Party-First politicians (republicans) in America. They hated Federalism (they preferred states to have more power, have standing armies, etc.) and did everything that they could to crush it AND the people that promoted it, including Alexander Hamilton, who created many of the features of the U.S. government that made it successful. The Federalists supported the British style of government, except with a temporary president instead of a monarch. The republicans supported a weak president (the first two presidents were Federalists) and a strong Congress. They also supported the French Revolution and all of the senseless bloodshed that occurred with it. As vice-President, Jefferson committed treason, undermining John Adams' agreements with England and France. Madison was essentially Jefferson's attack dog (Jefferson wanted to be seen as above petty politics). As President, Madison offended England enough (with threats to push England out of Canada, among other things) that the Brits invaded Washington, D.C. and burned the White House down.
     
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    Who was "little Miss Curio"? Wikipedia left no clue.
     
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    Ironic considering Christians have given us the most anti-democracy president to date..

    Democracy works until it doesn’t…….for Christians
     
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  8. Trickster

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    Thanks. Reading that, one is also most transported back to those times. My wife and I visited Greece for two weeks twenty years ago on a Smithsonian tour, and it remains the best vacation we ever took.
     
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