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Europe’s economic apocalypse

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by 96Gatorcise, Dec 19, 2024 at 5:32 AM.

  1. g8trjax

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    In before everything would be fine but trump killed the best bipartisan border bill in the history of border bills.
     
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    Exactly. Because you have nothing. Best not to strain anything up there, so run away.

    Typical.
     
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  3. BLING

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    People seem to forget the EU was only formed in 1993. Europe has some structural issues for sure, yet most of this article seems focused on the damage Trump’s proposed tariffs will do to trade with the U.S. If we do go down this path of antagonizing trade with Europe, it’s likely to push them to trade even more from Asia. Filling whatever vacuum the U.S. leaves.
     
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  5. PetrolGator

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    It’s been corroborated by several people in those conversations.

    There’s also this:

     
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  6. 96Gatorcise

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    Let them wait on the outside of the border. It is not the job of the American taxpayer to fund these people. If it takes years for them to get in then so be it.
     
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    I can’t argue with those who lack empathy and decency. Peace out.
     
  8. 96Gatorcise

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    Not arguing, we are discussing a topic. My empathy and decency goes to citizens first. We have homeless vets and seniors that need help. We have hard working families whose tax dollars should be in their pockets. The monies being spent on housing immigrants that cross illegally could be used to help Americans. This country has a big debt and it is only getting bigger. Their comes a point when you have to say no.
    And this leads me back to my original post. The EU's lack of foresight to innovate, wrong type of immigration(they needed more intellectuals less uneducated) and their focus on the government nanny state has lead them to the state they are in today.
     
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  9. AgingGator

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    MSNBC????
     
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  10. PetrolGator

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    It’s a clip. Of Trump. Speaking.
     
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  11. G8trGr8t

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    FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!

    is the red too much?
     
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  12. PetrolGator

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    There is nothing stopping us from helping homeless vets except the will and desire not to demonize homeless people or use them for political caricatures.

    The amount that we spend working asylum seekers and folks at the border pales in comparison to the low labor costs they provide for jobs that Americans won’t do (for better or worse.)

    Your comparison to the EU is also mischaracterizing the article. One, any high education contributors from families seeking asylum normally come 1G to 2G from the initial parents. Secondly, your “nanny state” comment is not what the article states. The state health programs and others have kept people from experiencing misery. That’s a good thing. The issue is that the EU leadership didn’t plan for innovation.
     
  13. wgbgator

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    This is why no one ever helps anyone, people just want to argue about who 'deserves' help more in the richest country in the world that prints its own money. People wonder why we are so divided. If we did focus on "citizens" bad faith people would just be arguing about which citizens. If we talk about the homeless, people just say they are all on drugs or want to be homeless. Its a fools game, all in service of the status quo, and enriching the already rich.
     
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  14. 96Gatorcise

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    The article mentions EU's generous welfare system and the fact the Europeans are not hard workers. It also mentions Greece. My best friend is Greek and he supports his mother's family in Greece because of the welfare state. He tells me stories of his uncles who retired in their 40's because the state gave them money and now they can't support themselves in their elder years.
     
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  15. citygator

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    Article summary: Europe's growth has been robust but some dude named Matthew bets it will all come crashing down so please read his dire headline article!
     
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    1) Weekly work hours have nothing to do with German entitlement programs.
    2) German entitlement programs aren’t what chased this.
    3) Anecdotal evidence isn’t good evidence.
     
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    The Japanese had someone that U.S. industry rejected: W. Edwards Deming. American manufacturers, automakers in particular, rejected Deming's focus on statistical analysis and quality control. They just went through the 50's selling everything they could possibly make (because Europe and the U.S. were experiencing a post-WWII economic boom, and they assumed that this situation would continue indefinitely. If even one U.S. automaker had accepted Deming's advice, the long-term prospects of U.S. manufacturing would have been much better. Instead, unions became even more entrenched, and U.S. manufacturers started a long and steady decline, only slowed by a "buy-American" attitude that only postponed the inevitable. Only when imports displaced large numbers of U.S. product sales did American manufacturers take notice and start making changes.
     
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    It is a clip of PMSNBC inferring, commentating, and fabricating 98% of the clip, and Trump speaking 2%. And in that 2% he is not saying what you are claiming even in what is shown. Given medias proclivity to selectively edit, god only knows what may have been edited.
     
  19. chemgator

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    European countries have been doing a poor job of allowing immigrants to assimilate. Jobs are reserved for or preferentially given to people native to the country (or native to the culture), while immigrants are forced into menial labor jobs. The French do this a lot. The Germans have made some good strides in this regard, but still have a ways to go. Racism does not only occur in the U.S.
     
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  20. PetrolGator

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    So, Republicans Senators say he said it. Republican House members say he said it. They have a clip and it’s all… false?

    Huh.