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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Dec 2, 2024.

  1. VAg8r1

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    The Druze.
     
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    I would not say first of all that Syria fell swiftly. The fighting has been going on for, what, 13 years now? And during that time, the U.S. and half the middle east have been funding up to as many as 11 factions fighting to take over Syria. I don't know that too many outside countries are funding or supplying groups within Iran that are trying to take over the country. Right now the government has control of the vast majority of weapons in Iran. All the people have is anger and some willingness to protest. Unless that is enough to inspire a military coup or some other inside job, I have a hard time seeing it happen without another country invading Iran.
     
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    Two weeks ago, nobody would have imagined that Assad was at risk. Iran has a disproportionate number of angry, unemployed, marginalized youth and some very wealthy enemies. Not saying it would be ez but if the iRG was defeated, the rest would crumble, and it appears that even the IRG is staggered and stretched right now
     
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    Yep, these regimes appear entrenched until they suddenly aren't. e.g. the USSR abruptly collapsing in 1990.
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    Jolani disbanded the militia to form a new army..right steps..

    Jolani disbands Syrian rebels and orders creation of new army

    Syria’s rebel groups will be disbanded and absorbed into the national army, the head of the faction which ousted Bashar al-Assad has said.

    Meeting the country’s religious minority Druze community, Mohammed al-Jolani – who has started using his real name, Ahmed al-Sharaa – said rebels would be trained to “join the ranks of the defence ministry”.

    With his interim government seeking to reassure minorities that they will be protected, Sharaa emphasised the need for unity in a multi-ethnic and multi-religious country.“Syria must remain united,” he said. “There must be a social contract between the state and all religions to guarantee social justice.”

    Sharaa had previously suggested Syria’s armed groups would be dissolved and join a national army. It is likely this is intended to prevent future power struggles of the sort seen in Libya.
     
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    Another difference is that Russia (a former superpower) had been propping up Assad's regime from the inside. In recent weeks and months, Russia has apparently been reducing its forces in Syria to shore up its failing war in Ukraine. Syrian forces had gotten used to Russia providing security, so they had become lax in their responsibilities and lost a lot of their loyalty to Assad. No doubt that the Russian military's cruelty to the Syrian people also convinced the Syrian forces that they were on the wrong side of this fight. So when the Russians left and the insurgents advanced, the Syrian military stood back and let things happen.

    I don't think there are any significant numbers of Russian troops in Iran to make this situation similar. Also, Iran has a unifying religion to hold over the people. Not all the people approve of the interpretation of the religion, but it is not like a diverse culture with multiple religions encouraged, with the people able to openly blame the leaders of one religion without consequences. Iran will continue to use Islam to keep the majority of people in order, and blame any unrest on apostates. On top of that, Iran's economy is nowhere near as bad as Syria's, and they have oil to provide some income. Syria has fewer natural resources to rely on.
     
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    does this apply in Russia. One highly aggrieved warlord with a blood feud against a regional enemy supported by the central leadership? Reads like a cheap diem store novel...ooohh, don't forget junior warlord who warlord sr must impress..will china find a way to help chechens?

    Russia on the brink of civil war as Vladimir Putin regime challenged by warlord
     
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    I don't think China will do anything overtly to undermine Putin's regime. After all, China and Russia have a common enemy--the U.S., and each wants the other to have (limited) success in their own spheres of influence to keep pressure on the West. I also don't see the Chechens marching unopposed towards Moscow or openly making war with Russia.
     
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    some nightime reading..drip...drip...when the guys in black with sticks quit getting paid, well. not sure the IG is going to shoot them too, especially if the IG family is suffering..

    Hezbollah, Syria, missile program, nuclear power, military might..all expensive wastes of limited resources in pursuit of vanity over substance. Israel destroyed any belief that Iran is the big bad wolf. And they didn't even have to get serious about it. the people, and the leaders, are beginning to speak up. what a wasted country, like Venezuela.

    Khamenei's gamble: The crumbling pillars of the Islamic Republic

    This shift allowed Israel to retaliate directly against Iranian assets, including missile facilities and proxy bases. It also provided the United States and its allies with justification to increase military support for Israel. The exposure of Iran’s vulnerabilities has emboldened Arab states, with Saudi Arabia warning Tehran against further missile attacks via its proxies.

    The repercussions of these missteps are being felt within Iran. The $50 billion spent on Syria alone has drawn criticism from journalists, former parliament members, and ordinary citizens. The General Prosecutor’s recent decree criminalizing criticism of Iran’s involvement in Syria underscores the regime’s fear of public dissent. With an economy crippled by sanctions, corruption, and mismanagement, Iran’s costly foreign adventures are becoming increasingly unsustainable.

    “Khamenei is actually the same as Bashar Assad - a brutal dictator that has war crimes on his hands,” Sazegara told the Post. “The [political] earthquake in Syria Khamenei has tried to cover up with conspiracy theories. He says that that was a conspiracy designed by US and Zionists.”

    Khamenei’s gamble on an aggressive, ideologically driven foreign policy is unraveling. The failures of Iran’s military doctrine, combined with its economic struggles and growing domestic unrest, signal a turning point for the Islamic Republic. By prioritizing its revolutionary goals over pragmatic governance, the regime has not only jeopardized its regional ambitions but also its own survival. As Khamenei faces mounting challenges at home and abroad, the cracks in the foundations of his leadership are becoming impossible to ignore.
     
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    and another. If this rolls, Erdogan is going to be djt's personal kingmaker in the region. Watch the money flow through Istanbul and guess which address. Just happens there is a Trump Tower in Istanbul. Emoluments are for dry wussies.

    does Erdogan wear purple...something about that Nostradamus guy and someone in purple in my old addled mind...

    sad top say, the HTS leader has shown more empathy towards the minority sects in Syria than either Turkey or djt..hopefully he continues to follow his words and incorporates SDF forces under security agreement along the border

    The mullahs could fall. If they do, Turkey rises

    Instead of the US, Israel’s “partner” in ousting Assad was Turkey. Whether there was any coordination between the two we can only speculate, but it was president Racip Erdogan that unleashed Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), which Turkey sponsors with Qatar, to spearhead the drive on Damascus. The future of Syria is going to be influenced by Israel and Turkey beyond all other forces. The two countries are far from friends, but both have national security interests in Syria. Until Netanyahu ordered the shattering of Syria’s military hardware last week, the country had for decades represented the greatest direct conventional threat to Israel. Courtesy of Assad, Syria was also the principal supply route from Iran to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

    Unlike Netanyahu, Erdogan has broader designs on the Middle East, including, at least in his mind’s eye, the resurrection of the Ottoman caliphate. He has close ties with Qatar and Sunni jihadist groups in the region, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which themselves may now gravitate further towards Ankara as Iran descends: an increasing threat for Israel and many of the Arab countries as his regional power strengthens.
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    While Iran looks to bring down the King, the ayatollahs have themselves just become more vulnerable. One of the major deterrents to uprising against the regime was the unspeakably bloody 14-year civil war in Syria, which cost hundreds of thousands of lives. The opposition in Iran might now become emboldened by a combination of Tehran’s weakness at the hands of Israel and the inspiration of a virtually bloodless revolt in Syria. If the incoming Trump administration frees Israel’s hands to destroy Iran’s nuclear programme in the coming months, that could become the tipping point that results in regime change in Tehran.

    Like the fall of Assad, the end of the ayatollahs would be a net gain for Middle East security. But the rise of Erdogan, with his own Islamist agenda, could develop into the next major challenge for this turbulent region.
     
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    Turkey's Erdogan is mostly running the show in Syria. Jolani was reportedly driving the head of MIT (Turkey's CIA) around Damascus a few days ago. Israel will seize the Golan Heights

    Alex Mercouris on The Duran:
     
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    That is true, but it still all comes down to China’s interest and what it thinks can realistically accomplish. In the winter of 2021, retaking Taiwan appeared by far to be a more realistic short-term (meaning within 10 years) goal than retaking Outer Manchuria. That being the case, aligning with Russia against the U.S. was a no-brainer. What about now? In the winter of 2024, trying to retake Taiwan looks like a good way to lose your navy and air force with no guarantee of success, and Russia appears to be edging toward a revolutionary cliff. If Russia collapses, China can walk into Outer Manchuria without firing a shot (or very few of them), and the world is not likely to complain very loudly, given what a pariah Russia has made of itself. China is almost certainly considering a branch plan where they agree to help push Russia off the edge in exchange for only finger wagging from the West when they move to retake the land Imperial Russia stole from Imperial China in the 19th Century.
     
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    are there any relations b/n china and the chechen?
     
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    Beats me.
     
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    interesting read. is he implying that israel had something to do with taking out assad

    PM: Iran ‘dumbfounded’ by Israeli strikes, saw investment in proxies go ‘down the tubes’
    “So, we just split that whole axis right down the middle,” he said. Iran “spent probably $30 billion in Syria, another $20 billion in Lebanon, God knows how much on Hamas. And it’s all gone down the tubes,” he said.

    The Iranians now “have no supply line,” Netanyahu said, adding: “We warned Assad not to let Iran supply Hezbollah with weapons through Syria. He played dumb.
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    The prime minister addressed this past September’s pager operation which precipitated its major offensive against the Lebanon-based terror group, when thousands of pagers held by Hezbollah operatives simultaneously exploded across Lebanon, disabling many key operatives. Israel took credit for the action last month, having previously declined to comment on it.
    “There were those who had misgivings about using it at all,” Netanyahu said. “But since it was time-sensitive, I pushed it through.” He called the result “a shock and awe of historic proportions” and “the greatest surgical targeting in history.”

    Netanyahu feted the “improved plan, which was actually brilliant, because among other things [Israel] took over Lebanese television” to warn civilians to evacuate their homes. “In six hours, we wiped out most of the ballistic missile stockpiles Hezbollah had amassed.” The almost two-month-long operation, which included a limited ground offensive, came to a halt last month with a ceasefire agreement, after Hezbollah lost almost its entire leadership and was left with greatly diminished capabilities.
     
  18. A candidate comes immediately to mind and it is NOT called the United States.

    Right now it looks like things are setting up nicely for the good guys, unless iran has a surprise for us of some kind that they can spring sometime between now and January 20th. Failing that, 2025 will be an extremely interesting time in the Middle East.