School shooting in Madison Wisc (this time).

The "reach" is strong with these people. What will they do without their Trans windmills to tilt against?

 

Well, there is no body that decides what Christian values are (Protestants are famously into self-revelation/individual interpretation of scripture), so I would imagine lots of Christians who act on their values believe they are adhering to them, even if someone else thinks they are not. This results in literally no one being wrong. The Christian who slays the wicked because God told them to is just as Christian as the person who denounces them for not being Christian.

If "thou shalt not kill" meant anything consistent to Christians, they wouldn't join the military or do many of they things they rationalize as not contrary to the commandments

 

Shithole country doing what it does best. Sit back and do nothing while children die.

 

I’ve found that “values” can be radically different, based on denomination, agenda, and political leanings. It’s hard to take the diverse through behind any religion and monotype it into one thing. It simply has value as a strawman argument and nothing more.

 

It is what they do...

Some people are just miserable. I have found it best to just let them be.

 

You mean like democrats did for the democrats that also supported the veto?

You understand that Fed laws and background checks still apply in NC right? And while I supported Coopers bill, I don't think the criminals are all like "yay, we can finally get guns! Those laws were completely preventing us from getting our black market firearms!"

And as even someone else in this thread pointed out, I am only mentioning Increased security as a reality. Not because I desire to live in a "police state" . Heck I wish we didnt have to have TSA to go on vacation or business trips...or security at The Swamp or Amalie Arena, but we do... Because that is the reality.

Ignoring the reality because we hope the problem will go away is irresponsible IN THE MEANTIME.

Both things need to happen. Stricter gun laws and better security until that happens.

I know my refusal to fit into your political pigeon hole probably messes up your bot algorithm, but oh well.

 

Go look up The Siege of Muenster if you want to see this in it's full glory. Or go listen to Dan Carlin's Profits of Doom. To quote Dan, ". . . Conservative Christian, wife-swapping orgies. . . " Stuff definitely got weird during the Reformation.

My other favorite quote: "Be careful of the guy with the walkie-talkie to God!"

 

interesting you mention TSA. There have been multiple studies that the overwhelming majority of weapons get through TSA. Here is a Forbes article
Stating 70% of weapons are missed. That’s an average with some airports missing more than 90% of weapons. We spend billions on this and it literally does nothing for security and can argue in a rush to ‘do something’ the situation was made worse. Most people have no idea that the majority of weapons still sail through.

TSA Misses 70% Of Fake Weapons But That's An Improvement

You know it’s still the case because a bureaucracy does what it does. They know they fail the tests every year so what do they publish rather than the percentage of weapons that pass right through to the seat next to you ? They publish the whole number of weapons captured. Not difficult to extrapolate that if TSA stopped 6,700 then more than 50,000 weapons made it onboard aircraft in 2023

TSA detects 6,737 firearms at airport security checkpoints in 2023 | Transportation Security Administration

There are a number of very inexpensive ways to harden these targets but unfortunately most schools chose not to.

 

Training and hiring matters. When you need numbers and have limited dollars everything falls apart. Every training means someone is offline. (TSA)

And, see something, hear something, say something. Unless you want to call the kids narcs for turning in a little misunderstood darling. Right?

 

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RALEIGH, N.C. (WGHP) — Senate Bill 41, the “Guarantee 2nd Amendment Freedom and Protections” bill, will become law after the House on Wednesday morning voted with the Senate to override a veto by Gov. Roy Cooper.

The House’s vote was 71-46, meaning 117 of the chamber’s 120 members voted on the override. Republicans control 71 of those seats. If all members had voted, 72 votes would have been needed to override the veto. The vote strictly was along party lines. Three Democrats had supported the bill in second reading.

North Carolina House joins Senate to override governor's veto, eliminating some background checks on pistol purchases

 

LOL. You're creating a strawman to the rescue? That anyone opposes "security" ?

It's just not the solution to the astounding gun violence that plagues (ONLY) our country.

Ever notice that the people you vote for actively OPPOSE, as you phrase it, "stricter gun laws" ? While the people you don't vote for only say that stricter security isn't a viable solution?

 

Ummm . . . the information is out there. If you can't seem to find it, try harder.

 

Hey, it's not my fault that you don't seek the info that is readily available. I provided you with some useful information and you just wanna quibble. You're welcome

 

What we need is greater information about Christian education. Why is there not more readily available data about Christian education and its effects on school shooters?

 

Maybe it's the part where the "protection" of people's rights results in children being pumped with hot lead.

 

So you see the difference between "mass shooting" and "school shooting" as a trivial matter. I don't. I think the nuance of any given type of shooting is worth exploring where there is a separate nature involved. When it comes to kids killing kids; that is appreciably different to me than adults killing adults...for example. We just see things differently, no big deal.

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In this case, and judging by the responses of @wgbgator and @PetrolGator (thanks for each of your responses, I decided the thread would get too far off track if I pursued responses to each of you), I think it's a matter of definition as to what constitutes a "Christian education." There's going to be a lot of variance in terms of whether or not we are talking about different denominations or the unifying aspect of each when it comes to what comes directly from Jesus Christ (to a believer, of course, as a non-believer will see it as indirect regardless). I suspect there is an element of "hoping it rubs off on" like what @ursidman appears to be alluding to. Like with anything else, are we criticizing the instruction/guidelines or are we criticizing how it is being received/interpreted. But again, that is probably worthy of its own thread. I appreciate your question.

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This went from mass shooting to school shooting when they downgraded the death toll from 5 to 2. Yesterday we could talk about it as a mass shooting and then by the end of the day, it was no longer classified as such as the number of dead was changed in reporting, now it is just one of the many other non-mass shootings in America that are far less notable because they involve less dead bodies. Did the psychology of the killer change there?