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BREAKING: Trump LOSES Immunity Claim in NY State "Hush Money" Case

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorJMDZ, Dec 16, 2024 at 9:24 PM.

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  1. Dec 16, 2024 at 9:24 PM #1
    GatorJMDZ

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    Finally some good news. Trump lost his motion to get the NY State hush money case verdict tossed on immunity grounds. He remains a 34 time convicted felon, Lady Justice retains some of her dignity.

    He lost on 3 major grounds.
    1. His crackerjack legal team neglected to properly preserve the majority of their claims for appeal.

    2. Trump's actions were clearly unofficial acts.

    3. Any errors were rendered harmless due to the overwhelming evidence of guilt.

    Sentencing next and then appeals will follow.

    "Justice Juan Merchan found that a July Supreme Court ruling granting Trump presidential immunity for official acts did not preclude a jury from finding him guilty after a criminal trial this spring.

    Merchan wrote that evidence shown at trial pertained "entirely to unofficial conduct," beyond the scope of the Supreme Court's ruling, which he described as narrow.

    "If error occurred regarding the introduction of the challenged evidence, such error was harmless in light of the overwhelming evidence of guilt," Merchan wrote.

    New York judge rejects Trump presidential immunity claim in "hush money" case - CBS News

    Read opinion here.:
    Breaking: Presidential Immunity Doesn't Block Trump's NY Criminal Prosecution, Judge Rules
     
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  2. Dec 16, 2024 at 9:46 PM #2
    gator_jo

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    LOCK HIM UP!
     
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  3. Dec 16, 2024 at 10:07 PM #3
    uftaipan

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    Was that his final appeal?
     
  4. Dec 16, 2024 at 10:11 PM #4
    GatorJMDZ

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    No. He won't file his appeal until after he is sentenced.
     
  5. Dec 16, 2024 at 10:26 PM #5
    sierragator

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    His homies on the scotus will have his back when the appeal reaches them.
     
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  6. Dec 16, 2024 at 10:28 PM #6
    GatorJMDZ

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    Quite possibly, assuming it gets there. It should go through the state appellate system first.
     
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  7. Dec 16, 2024 at 10:56 PM #7
    G8trGr8t

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    he never hoped to win on the law, it makes the incompetence tolerable, and very profitable, provided you don't cross that line, which, in the end, djt always gets them to cross, sans Barr.

    this is what got me, and what should resonate from that verdict, but will be lost in the weaponization cries

    3. Any errors were rendered harmless due to the overwhelming evidence of guilt.
     
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  8. Dec 16, 2024 at 11:27 PM #8
    Swamplizard

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    He lives rent free in some of your heads
     
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  9. Dec 16, 2024 at 11:29 PM #9
    GatorJMDZ

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    The ruling was issued today and is actually pretty big news. Some people actually follow important events.
     
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  10. Dec 17, 2024 at 2:10 AM #10
    ATLGATORFAN

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    I’ve followed this as well and nobody in my orbit thought Merchan was going to rule any other way and not suprised by this ruling.
     
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  11. Dec 17, 2024 at 8:13 AM #11
    GatorJMDZ

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    That's nice. Did you read the Order?
     
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  12. Dec 17, 2024 at 8:17 AM #12
    archigator_96

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    Was he actually the President when the payments happened? If not, then how can you get presidential immunity?

    He will probably just end up pardoning himself.
     
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  13. Dec 17, 2024 at 8:18 AM #13
    sierragator

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    He will skate as usual.
     
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  14. Dec 17, 2024 at 8:18 AM #14
    GatorJMDZ

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    Trump has no pardon power in state cases.
     
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  15. Dec 17, 2024 at 8:28 AM #15
    PetrolGator

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    State crime. Pardon only applies to federal offenses.
     
  16. Dec 17, 2024 at 8:29 AM #16
    PetrolGator

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    If living rent free means “I don’t think a man convicted of crimes related to election interferences should be President, since it demonstrates a total lack of respect for the sanctity of his office,” then yeah. Sure.

    I think it’s more damning so many of you are okay with deifying a felon who routinely doesn’t think the law applies to him.
     
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  17. Dec 17, 2024 at 11:52 AM #17
    Trickster

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    And you pay rent to live in Trump's head
     
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  18. Dec 18, 2024 at 9:22 AM #18
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    I believe that since this deals with his officials duties as POTUS, he is allowed to keep appealing and it can go to federal court up to the SCOTUS. I heard/read that since Trump does have immunity from official acts as POTUS, he is suppose to have the issue of whether something is an official act settled before the trial commenced. So Trump still has the right to appeal this decision to "the New York Appellate Division; even if he loses there, he will then appeal to the state’s highest tribunal, the Court of Appeals, and then perhaps to the U.S. Supreme Court." according to NR's Andy McCarthy.

    I think that this might end up being mute as Hochel may step in and pardon him in an effort by Democrats to enter a ceasefire on lawfare with Republicans now that Trump is about to assume office.
     
  19. Dec 18, 2024 at 9:25 AM #19
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    Why would he?
     
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  20. Dec 19, 2024 at 11:31 AM #20
    ETGator1

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    Jerk Merchan gave the middle finger salute to the SCOTUS. It's a loser case and is as good as dead. You folks don't get it that Trump won with this decision. The case is DOA when appealed.

    Jerk and daughter are setting themselves up for some overdue payback.
     
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