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Trump's plan for mass deportations

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  1. vaxcardinal

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    Probably because the candidate was still a better choice than Harris.
     
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  2. AzCatFan

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    So very Christian of you. Just like the way you treat your neighbors seeking shelter from persecution in their home country.

    But seriously, why celebrate a policy that will cost hundred of billions in taxpayer money, cost trillions in lost GDP, hurt many businesses, cause a big inflation spike, and split families apart? Where in the Bible does it say to do these things?
     
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  3. g8orbill

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    they broke the law and it is pretty simple the punishment for breaking the law on entering our country is deportation. I have no problem with that- you do. I certainly hope my side wins.
     
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  4. ursidman

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    We are on the trajectory towards denouncing one another.
    I need to send off for my MAGA hat so that i can pass when the time comes.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    Ironic. Our country was founded by a bunch of people who broke the law. Had Washington and gang lost, the British would've found them guilty and likely tarred and feathered them. Thankfully, our Founding Fathers understood unjust laws shouldn't be blindly followed.

    And in about a month, we'll celebrate a holiday for someone arrested 29 times and spent time in jail. Martin Luther King Jr. also felt unjust laws should not be blindly followed. And we celebrate him because of it.

    If anyone can convince me deporting 11 million people is just, I'll change my tune. But I fail to see how splitting families, spending hundreds of billions in tax money, causing trillions in GDP, hurting business owners, and causing a large inflation spike can be just.
     
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  6. PetrolGator

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    When you deify a serial sexual abuser, grifter, and man who revels in bullying, you abdicate any association with the Bible, save the money changers Jesus raged out of the temple.

    Illegal immigrants are just an easy mark. MAGA blames them for everything.

    Stagnant wages? It isn’t greedy corporations. It’s low paid Mexicans who cross the border. It’s definitely not all the union busting over the last forty or so years.

    Crime? Illegal immigrants, and it’s always getting worse when a Democrat is in power. Numbers to the contrary are fake. It’s the “scary brown person” that leads conservatives to clutch pearls out of racist fear.

    Lost elections? Illegals voting.

    Undocumented migrants are simply easy to blame, dehumanize, and don’t elect horror when they’re harmed. Hell, I’ve seen people express glee. We’ve seen this playbook before. Sadly, a lot of people never learned the lessons of scapegoating and directed rage at vulnerable people. There’s no real attempt to fix the system. No logic. Nothing but irrational rage at a problem they will never care to understand.
     
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  7. sierragator

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    Once they have been dehumanized, it is a slippery slope to far worse things.
     
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    Only liberals like yourself
     
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  10. lacuna

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    Matthew 27:35 ...And when they (Roman soldiers) had crucified Him, they divided His garments among themselves by casting lots.

    Luke 23:34... Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”

    Matthew 25:40...“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
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    By casting lots for Jesus' garments, the soldiers showed they attached a higher value to His clothing than they did to Him and what he taught those who claim to follow him.


     
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  11. lacuna

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    It's inhuman.
     
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  12. g8orbill

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    pure and simple - they broke the law
    they are here illegally
    they brought this on themselves
    they should be deported
     
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  13. PetrolGator

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    How do you reconcile this with blatant criminality from your POTUS candidate? If I was convicted of felonies, I’d lose my security clearance tomorrow.
     
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  14. g8orbill

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    it is easy for me to do. The crimes you on the left are so enamored with are manufactured crimes to try and keep him from running or assuming the office
     
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  15. PetrolGator

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    “Love God, Jesus, and your fellow man, but screw them brown folk.”

    The absolute worst part about all of this is that the issue has resolutions that don’t involves abject cruelty to dissuade additional immigration, which is anti-helical to Jesus’s teachings.

    • Properly staff immigration courts. Make applying for asylum and applying for work status far more efficient.
    • House people humanely.
    • Work with Mexico and other Central American countries to develop solutions for root cause issues. Part of the issue comes from violence. Part of it is the lack of gainful work. Part is that the work available is killing farm laborers because of excessive heat. I posted an article previously about this.
    • Stop conflating refugee status with illegal immigration. Trump and Vance did this regularly to drum up hate at Haitians. There is nothing Christian about blatant racism.
    Looking for compassionate solutions while respecting laws is what you’re instructed to do. Dragging your ass every time a Democrat is in power to make it their problem while dreaming of ripping families apart to scare potential migrants away is absolutely not what Christ would instruct you to do. You sound more like a Joel Olsteen or another modern Pharisee.
     
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    Side note: Romans makes a special case that laws should be followed when they are in agreement with God’s word.

    God ultimately destroyed Sodom because of a lack of hospitality toward strangers and sexual violence.

    The Bible makes several references to treating “aliens” well:

    Genesis 23:4

    Deuteronomy 10:19

    Deuteronomy 27:19 - Important regarding asylum seekers

    Leviticus 19:34 - Very important in regard to this subject

    1 Chronicles 16:19-22

    Job 29:15-17 - On the poor. Also uses the word “stranger,” which is a reference to “aliens” above.

    Psalm 146:9

    Jeremiah 7:5-7 - Read this. Over and over again.

    Ezekiel 47:22 - Funny how birthright citizenship is in the Bible.

    Zechariah 7:9-10 - This includes Haitians. I’m sorry.

    Matthew 25:35 - Christ equating himself with said “strangers.”

    Matthew 25:40 - IMO, one of the most important verses in the Bible that American Jesus seems to have forgotten.

    Romans 12:13

    Romans 13:10

    Colossians 3:11 - On equality. Rather important, given the times.

    Hebrews 13:1-3 - READ. Literally reinforcing why God destroyed two well-known cities….

    It seems pretty reasonable that tactics supported by the incoming Administration that rely on intimidation, cruelty, and malice to prevent additional migration aren’t very “Word of God.”

    All quotes from the NRSV.
     
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    You should get down on your knees and beg my forgiveness for the $30T you left behind not paying your way and now suckling more from me from SS you selfish ass. The fact you think you EARNED your money when you didnt pay your way through this country, and instead borrowed from me and my kids is bullshit. You are an entitled freeloader who will go to your grave owing those of us $200,000+ in back taxes.
     
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  18. PetrolGator

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    “The law isn’t real when my people are charged and convicted” is precisely the double standard I expect.

    Trump was indicted by a grand jury. He was charged. He had his right to a free trial by jury. Like all Americans, he was given a presumption of innocence by the court. He was convicted. He has a right to appeal. I fully support his right to appeal, regardless of my feelings about him.
     
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  19. PetrolGator

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    Wow. The smugness of this post while professing a love for Jesus is so self-contradictory as to cause pain. Jesus was pretty big on loving and protecting the “least of us,” you know.

    There is nothing wrong with success. I applaud success. There is something wrong with assuming that you’re better than others because you are/were successful. There are plenty of people who work their tails off, have all the good, but never get a good opportunity to do so. Others have systemic biases built against them that make success that much more difficult. That’s what “privilege” is for those of us that have it.

    I grew up dirt poor. Spent time living in a car. Went to school because of Bright Futures, Pell Grants, and a willingness to do whatever job I could to pay rent. I’m PROUD of it, but I will never use it as a cudgel to indicate my superiority. Had I not been lucky enough to contact just the right recruiter when Schlumberger was hiring, it’s possible I’d still be bartending or working a crap engineering job.

    I’m truly sorry for your kid. I can’t imagine the pain of having to bury one of your own.
     
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  20. wgbgator

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    But crossing an imaginary line is a non-manufactured crime apparently