School shooting in Madison Wisc (this time).

Same old talking points that come out every time one of these events happen. I rest my case. See you on the next shooting thread. It is only a matter of time. ALso, at what point did I say your guns should be taken away? hint: I didn't.

 

That's a prison. Is that what we've come to now? Having to build prison like structures to keep kids safe?

 

"Guns don't kill people" No, but bullets do

 

I'm surprised to find real value coming out of this discourse, for a change. Not surprised that the value is hearing the anti-rational gun law people reveal the absurdity of their position merely by expressing their ideas.

But yeah, the entirety of the United States should be compelled to secure schools just like.... the state of Israel does.

 

why not

 

You consistently assume that these things are not being investigated thoroughly.

This piece is pretty informative.
https://publichealth.wustl.edu/gun-...aracteristics-and-mental-health-implications/

Shooters plan violence and often leak their plans to others. Ninety percent of mass shooters at K-12 educational facilities told their peers. “Leakage”, as Peterson calls it, is key to prevention. “If we can reach the person at the point of them leaking plans, we might be able to prevent the crime,” she said.

According to Peterson’s study, the most common gun used to commit violence is a handgun (47%), usually taken from home. In the last seven years however, assault rifle usage has risen as well as the wearing of tactical vests. Shooters identify with previous mass shooters and mimic them. Peterson added that two weeks after one shooting is a primary time in which another will occur. There is a typical historical profile of mass shooters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/mass-shootings-mental-health.html

Same scholar as above:
How to stop mass shootings, with Jillian Peterson, PhD

Is There a Link Between Mental Health and Mass Shootings?

Five Facts About Mass Shootings in K-12 Schools

It’s tempting to say gun violence is about mental illness. The truth is much more complex.

Not related to your Qs, but this piece is powerful and addresses the point another poster made about first responders (also doctors).
Never the Same: How mass shootings forever change the doctors who respond

 

We don't have 200k-300k workers to fill those jobs for one. We have been at full employment the entire time coming out of the pandemic. And we aren't seeing a surge in new entrants to the labor market anytime soon.

 

I'm not.

 

Since when are righties so intent on devoting billions to schools? Oh that's right, to line the pockets of the armament complex.

 

not sure what the solution is, but there are also issues of security at a school all day, every day. What do they do all day? When do they intervene? Background checks?



Emeryville high student sues for alleged sexual abuse by school security guard

https://news.wttw.com/2023/12/12/cp...ault-student-previously-cleared-backgrounding

Officials investigating deputy’s use of force against high school students

 

And those are trained LEOs. But sure, let's arm a couple marines with PTSD and put 'em in a cafeteria with a few hundred teenagers. What could go wrong?

 

privatized schools and privatized prisons or in some cases the same difference.

 

I’ll be damned if another gun didn’t wake up and declare “I’m gonna kill some folks!”

 

Your linked article hit on a huge point here. There are all kinds of signals sent by these shooters. The key to preventing them is reading the signals, not only leakage but also behavior. Society needs to develop ways to spot these signals. Parents, friends, teachers, law enforcement and yes even social media and the internet need to look out for these things. I'm not for AI spying on us but try to post something overly dirty or racist or threatening on social media it is going to be instantly flagged and blocked. I wouldn't be one bit opposed to certain signals being reported to the authorities.

 

The “Guardian” program for teachers to be allowed to carry in schools became law in 2019 after the Parkland shooting.

 

Not to mention long guns in racks in the back window of pick-up trucks, even in high school parking lots.

 

you know. for freedom.

 

must be takin' a page outta fentanyl's book.

 

This is one of the more ignorant takes I have seen.

If you met me for the first time you would never suspect I own a few guns. Yet I do. None of them have ever been shot either. All higher end as I bought because certain people were trying to stop people from being able to get them. Until I find the time (time is valuable) or feel the need to learn them. They will remain locked up. At the same time I have multiple friends who own far more guns than I do. And if you met them. Like me. You would never know they were a gun owner. The only one you would even know would be because their kid shoots for competition.

Spare us the idea guns are an identuty or religion.

Taking away the ability to buy a gun is far more of a religion/identity than guns.